Epsilon Delta Proof Piecewise function

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The forum discussion focuses on the application of the triangle inequality in Epsilon-Delta proofs, particularly in the context of piecewise functions like the Heaviside function. Participants clarify the manipulation of absolute values in expressions such as $|(1 + \frac{\delta}{2} - L) - (\frac{\delta}{2} - L)|$ and its implications for proving contradictions in limits. The discussion emphasizes the correct interpretation of absolute value properties and their role in establishing limits, specifically addressing the misconception about rewriting terms and the necessity of certain inequalities.

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I do not understand how they got:
"1 = |(1 plus d/2 - L) - (d/2 - L)| <= |1 plus d/2 - L| plus |d/2 - L| < 1/4 plus 1/4 = 1/2, "

Shouldn't it be $|(1+ \frac{\delta}{2} -L) + (\frac{\delta}{2} -L)|$, not $|(1+ \frac{\delta}{2} -L) - (\frac{\delta}{2} -L)|$
 
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Rido12 said:
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130915100124AAK4JAQ

I do not understand how they got:
"1 = |(1 plus d/2 - L) - (d/2 - L)| <= |1 plus d/2 - L| plus |d/2 - L| < 1/4 plus 1/4 = 1/2, "

Shouldn't it be $|(1+ \frac{\delta}{2} -L) + (\frac{\delta}{2} -L)|$, not $|(1+ \frac{\delta}{2} -L) - (\frac{\delta}{2} -L)|$

No, $|(1 + \frac{\delta}{2} - L) + (\frac{\delta}{2} - L)| = |1 + \delta - 2L|$, not $1$. Adding and subtracting $\frac{d}{2} - L$ gives

$$1 = 1 + (\frac{\delta}{2} - L) - (\frac{\delta}{2} - L) = (1 + \frac{\delta}{2} - L) - (\frac{\delta}{2} - L)$$,

and thus

$$ 1 = |(1 + \frac{\delta}{2} - L) - (\frac{\delta}{2} - L)|$$.
 
I agree, but how was he able to continue with the triangle inequality?

I thought it was $|x+y| \le |x| + |y|$, so if they rewrote it as $|x-y|$, how is $|x-y|\le |x|+|y|$?
 
They're trying to derive a contradiction. I presume you have followed the steps they took in order to deduce $\left | \delta/2 + 1 - L \right | < 4$ from the hypothesis of having a limit?

What they did next was sheer trickery. Note that $(1 + \delta/2 - L) - (\delta/2 - L) = 1$, thus,

$$1 = \left | \left(1 + \frac{\delta}{2}-L \right) - \left ( \frac{\delta}{2} - L \right) \right | \leq \left | 1 + \frac{\delta}{2} - L \right | +\left | \frac{\delta}{2} - L \right |$$

Which follows from the triangle ineq. But then we have deduced that

$$\left | 1 + \frac{\delta}{2} - L \right | +\left | \frac{\delta}{2} - L \right | \leq \frac14 + \left | 1 + \frac{\delta}{2} - L \right | < \frac14 + \frac14 = \frac12$$

Combining the two above, $1 < 1/2$, a contradiction.

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Rido12 said:
I agree, but how was he able to continue with the triangle inequality?

I thought it was $|x+y| \le |x| + |y|$, so if they rewrote it as $|x-y|$, how is $|x-y|\le |x|+|y|$?
$$|x-y| = |x + (-y)| \leq |x| + |-y| = |x| + |y|$$
 
Oh okay! It's just that my professor has another formula for $|x-y|$ that is different, but it matters not.

Suppose we want to show that the Heaviside function does not exist at $t=0$.

Heaviside function is the following:
$$H(t)=\begin{cases}1, & t\ge 0 \\[3pt] 0, & t<0 \\ \end{cases}$$

Following the same method, assume that $\epsilon = 1/2$ is imposed, such that we want to find $0<|t|<\delta$ such that $|H(t) -L|<1/2$. If we pick $t =\delta /2$ which satisfies, we have $|1-L|<1/2$, similarly picking $t=-\delta / 2$, we have $|-L|<1/2$.

By the triangle inequality, we find that:
$1=|1-L-(-L)|\le |1-L|+|L| < 1/2 + 1/2 = 1$

Contradiction because 1 is not less than 1. Is that correct? Do I have to say anything about $\delta$ = min{${\text{something}}$}?
 
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That looks good to me. (Yes)
 
Rido12 said:
Oh okay! It's just that my professor has another formula for $|x-y|$ that is different, but it matters not.

You mean the reverse triangle inequality, $||x| - |y|| \le |x - y|$?
 
Exactly, but are those external absolute values necesary? My prof left it out, he said for any real numbers $x$ and $y$:
$|x-y|\ge |x|-|y|$
 
What I have implies your inequality, but keep in mind that $|x| - |y|$ may be negative.
 

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