Eqn of Continuity: Incompressible & Compressible Fluids

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The discussion centers on the equation of continuity as it applies to both incompressible and compressible fluids. Participants explore the theoretical underpinnings, mathematical expressions, and implications of the equation in different fluid dynamics contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the equation of continuity applies solely to incompressible fluids and inquire about its formulation for compressible fluids.
  • One participant states that the equation of continuity represents conservation of mass, expressed as rho*area*velocity = constant, noting that density cancels out in incompressible flow but remains for compressible flows.
  • Another participant provides a pseudo-form of the equation of continuity over a control volume, emphasizing the relationship between mass in, mass out, and accumulated mass, using a metaphor of marbles in a box.
  • There is a mention of a specific mathematical form of the equation involving the time derivative of density and divergence of velocity, which is considered important for deriving the Navier-Stokes equations.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the steady-state condition, where mass flow rates in and out are equal, leading to the conclusion that rho_in * V_in * A_in = rho_out * V_out * A_out.
  • Some participants appear to express similar ideas regarding the mass flow rate, although one participant suggests they may be saying the same thing in different terms.
  • A light-hearted comment is made about the differences in terminology, indicating a playful tone in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the equation of continuity is exclusive to incompressible fluids, and multiple viewpoints regarding its application to compressible fluids are presented. The discussion remains unresolved on some aspects.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the potential dependence on definitions of incompressible and compressible flows, as well as unresolved mathematical steps in the derivation of the equations discussed.

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does eqn of continuity apply to only incompressible fluids?is there an eqn for compressible fluids?
 
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equation of continuity is just another expression for conservation for mass.

rho*area*velocity = constant

rho cancels out while dealing with a incompressible flow, & stays for compressible flows
 
In pseudo form, the equation of continuity over a control volume is simply

[tex]\sum m_{in} = \sum m_{out} + \sum m_{accumulated}[/tex]

So, if you have a box with marbles in it, and you put more marbles into it, either you accumulate marbles in the box, or if the box is full, marbles must come out.

For incompressible flow, pressure must remain constant, this means that the number of marbles (think molecules) must remain the same. That means for every marble that comes in, one must go out. However, for compressible flow, there can be an accumulation inside the control volume.

IIRC the actual equation in one of the 4 forms is something like:

[tex]\frac{\partial \rho}{\partial t} + \nabla (\vec{\rho V}) = 0[/tex]

The second term is called Divergence of Velocity and ends up being a rather important term when deriving the N-S equations.
 
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minger said:
In pseudo form, the equation of continuity over a control volume is simply

[tex]\sum m_{in} = \sum m_{out} + \sum m_{accumulated}[/tex]

So, if you have a box with marbles in it, and you put more marbles into it, either you accumulate marbles in the box, or if the box is full, marbles must come out.

For incompressible flow, pressure must remain constant, this means that the number of marbles (think molecules) must remain the same. That means for every marble that comes in, one must go out. However, for compressible flow, there can be an accumulation inside the control volume.

IIRC the actual equation in one of the 4 forms is something like:

[tex]\frac{\partial \rho}{\partial t} + \nabla (\vec{\rho V}) = 0[/tex]

The second term is called Divergence of Velocity and ends up being a rather important term when deriving the N-S equations.

For the general case, the RHS should be the time rate change of the mass inside the control volume, not the summation.

[tex]\sum \dot{m}_{in} - \sum \dot{m}_{out} = \Delta \dot{m}_{system}[/tex]

For a steady-state, steady-flow process the mass and energy of the control volume are constant with time. The RHS becomes:

[tex]\frac{dm_{cv}}{dt} = \Delta \dot{m}_{cv} = 0[/tex]

Since the mass of the control volume is constant with time during the steady-state, steady-flow process, the conservation of mass principle becomes:

[tex]\sum \dot{m}_{in} = \sum \dot{m}_{out}[/tex]

The mass flow rate is related to volume flow rate and fluid density by

[tex]\dot{m} = \rho \dot{V}[/tex]

For one entrance, one exit steady-flow control volume, the mass flow rates are related by

[tex]\dot{m}_{in} = \dot{m}_{out}[/tex]

Hence,

[tex]\rho_{in} \dot{V}_{in} = \rho_{out} \dot{V}_{out}[/tex]

or

[tex]\rho_{in} \vec{V}_{in}A_{in} = \rho_{out} \vec{V}_{out}A_{out}[/tex]

CS
 
stewartcs said:
For the general case, the RHS should be the time rate change of the mass inside the control volume, not the summation.

[tex]\sum \dot{m}_{in} - \sum \dot{m}_{out} = \Delta \dot{m}_{system}[/tex]

Actually, looking back at this I think we're saying the same thing since you're not using the mass flow rate.

CS
 
toe-mae-toe, toe-ma-toe :)
 

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