Equal Commutators: What Do They Tell Us?

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The discussion revolves around the significance of specific commutation relations in quantum mechanics, particularly the relation [Q,P]=iħ, and the implications of having different values for commutators, such as 1. Participants explore the relationships between operators that share the same commutation relations and their potential consequences in quantum mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the significance of the commutation relation [Q,P]=iħ and wonders how the scenario would change if the commutator equaled 1.
  • Another participant explains that taking the Hermitian conjugate of the commutation relation leads to a contradiction if the operators are Hermitian and the commutator equals 1.
  • A different participant notes that if two Hamiltonians have the same form and the same commutation relations, they will have the same eigenvalues, suggesting a deeper connection between operators with identical commutators.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty regarding the implications of having sets of operators with the same commutator and invites further input from others.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views and remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of having operators with the same commutation relations.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully explored the implications of different commutation relations or the specific conditions under which the discussed properties hold, leaving some assumptions and dependencies unaddressed.

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Hi.

Cohen-Tannoudji has this section in his quantum mechanics book where he derives a bunch of relations which are true for operators having the commutation relation [itex][Q,P]=i\hbar[/itex]. Is there any special significance to this value of a commutator? Would things be much different if it had the value 1 ?

Also, if we have two sets of operators with the same commutator, i.e. [itex][x,p]=[Q,P]=i\hbar[/itex], what does this tell us about the relations between the operators, if anything?
 
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Take the hermitian conjugate of each side. If the operators are Hermitian, then you get
[P,Q] = -ih = -[Q,P], which is exactly what you expect based on the definition of a commutator. If you had [Q,P] = 1, then this process would lead to a contradiction if your operators are Hermitian.
 
Ah, so that's why it's important that it's imaginary! Great. What about sets of operators with the same commutator? I know that if we have two Hamiltonians of the same form, i.e.
[tex] H=a^{\dagger} a+\frac{1}{2}[/tex]
[tex] H=b^{\dagger} b+\frac{1}{2}[/tex]

and [itex][a^{\dagger},a]=[b^{\dagger},b][/itex] then the Hamiltonians will have the same eigenvalues. Is there more we can say? I've heard that all of quantum mechanics can be based on commutators...
 
I'm not too sure what we can say about sets of operators with the same commutator... hopefully someone else can help you out.
 

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