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Homework Statement


Consider the following system of equations: [tex]\frac{\partial \vec H}{\partial t} -i \vec \nabla \times \vec H =0[/tex] where [tex]\vec H[/tex] is a vector field.
1)Show that [tex]\vec Y =\partial _t \vec H[/tex] satisfies the wave equation.
2)Demonstrate that if [tex]\vec \nabla \cdot \vec H=0[/tex] initially, then it remains true for all time.

Homework Equations


The wave equation. Namely I must show that [tex]\frac{\partial ^2 \vec Y}{\partial t^2}- \triangle \vec Y =0[/tex].


The Attempt at a Solution


1)I must show that [tex]\frac{\partial ^2}{\partial t^2}(i \vec \nabla \times \vec H)=(i \vec \nabla \time \vec H )[/tex].
I have that [tex]\frac{\partial \vec Y}{\partial t}i \vec \nabla \times \vec H=i \frac{\partial}{\partial t}(\vec \nabla \times \vec H )[/tex].
I'm not sure how to proceed... I'm really lost.
I'd like a tip.


2)None yet, will do after 1).


Thanks for any help.
 
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[tex] \frac{\partial \vec H}{\partial t} = i \vec \nabla \times \vec H ~~(*)[/tex]

and compute [tex]\partial/\partial t[/tex] of both sides. You can use (*) once more to relate the 2nd time derivative of [tex]\vec{H}[/tex] to the curl of its curl. This can be related by a standard identity to the sum of [tex]\nabla^2 \vec{H}[/tex] and another term that is proportional to the gradient of [tex]\nabla \cdot \vec{H}[/tex]. So [tex]\vec{H}[/tex] almost satisfies the wave equation.

If we take another time derivative, we can use (*) to get rid of the term that involved the divergence. I have a feeling that this part is relevant to part 2.
 
Thank you fzero.
I just don't know how to compute [tex]\frac{\partial }{\partial t}i \vec \nabla \times \vec H[/tex].
I think I could try to workout the rest (I've noticed the identity you talk about as [tex]\vec \nabla \times (\vec \nabla \times \vec H )=\vec \nabla (\vec \nabla \cdot \vec H ) - \triangle \vec H[/tex].)
 
fluidistic said:
Thank you fzero.
I just don't know how to compute [tex]\frac{\partial }{\partial t}i \vec \nabla \times \vec H[/tex].
I think I could try to workout the rest (I've noticed the identity you talk about as [tex]\vec \nabla \times (\vec \nabla \times \vec H )=\vec \nabla (\vec \nabla \cdot \vec H ) - \triangle \vec H[/tex].)

It's simple because the derivatives commute:

[tex] \frac{\partial }{\partial t}i \vec \nabla \times \vec H = i \vec \nabla \times \frac{\partial \vec H}{\partial t} = i \vec \nabla \times ( i \vec \nabla \times \vec H ),[/tex]

where in the last step, we used (*).
 
Thanks a lot fzero. I solved part 1), though I'd like a clarification about when you said "So H almost satisfies the wave equation".
I've showed (and you probably did too) that [tex]\frac{\partial \vec H}{\partial t}[/tex] satisfies the wave equation. As it is linear, any derivative is also a solution, but I'm not sure -though I strongly believe- that [tex]\vec H[/tex] also satisfies it.
So why did you use to word "almost"?

I'll try part 2) now.
 
[tex]\vec{H}[/tex] satisfies

[tex] \frac{\partial^2 \vec{H}}{\partial t^2} - \Delta \vec{H} = - \nabla (\nabla \cdot \vec{H}).[/tex]

That's what I mean by "almost." Part 2 of the question addresses a condition under which [tex]\vec{H}[/tex] actually does satisfy the wave equation.