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The discussion revolves around a system of equations involving a vector field \(\vec H\) and its relationship to the wave equation. Participants are tasked with demonstrating that a derived vector \(\vec Y\) satisfies the wave equation and exploring the implications of an initial condition on the divergence of \(\vec H\).

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the computation of time derivatives and the application of vector identities to relate the behavior of \(\vec H\) to the wave equation. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of terms and the implications of initial conditions on the divergence of \(\vec H\>.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress in demonstrating that \(\vec H\) satisfies the wave equation under certain conditions. There is ongoing exploration of the implications of these findings, particularly regarding the term "almost" in relation to the wave equation. Clarifications and further attempts to address part 2 of the problem are being considered.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement, which includes specific equations and conditions that must be satisfied. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the completeness of the solutions and the necessary conditions for the wave equation to hold.

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Homework Statement


Consider the following system of equations: [tex]\frac{\partial \vec H}{\partial t} -i \vec \nabla \times \vec H =0[/tex] where [tex]\vec H[/tex] is a vector field.
1)Show that [tex]\vec Y =\partial _t \vec H[/tex] satisfies the wave equation.
2)Demonstrate that if [tex]\vec \nabla \cdot \vec H=0[/tex] initially, then it remains true for all time.

Homework Equations


The wave equation. Namely I must show that [tex]\frac{\partial ^2 \vec Y}{\partial t^2}- \triangle \vec Y =0[/tex].


The Attempt at a Solution


1)I must show that [tex]\frac{\partial ^2}{\partial t^2}(i \vec \nabla \times \vec H)=(i \vec \nabla \time \vec H )[/tex].
I have that [tex]\frac{\partial \vec Y}{\partial t}i \vec \nabla \times \vec H=i \frac{\partial}{\partial t}(\vec \nabla \times \vec H )[/tex].
I'm not sure how to proceed... I'm really lost.
I'd like a tip.


2)None yet, will do after 1).


Thanks for any help.
 
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[tex] \frac{\partial \vec H}{\partial t} = i \vec \nabla \times \vec H ~~(*)[/tex]

and compute [tex]\partial/\partial t[/tex] of both sides. You can use (*) once more to relate the 2nd time derivative of [tex]\vec{H}[/tex] to the curl of its curl. This can be related by a standard identity to the sum of [tex]\nabla^2 \vec{H}[/tex] and another term that is proportional to the gradient of [tex]\nabla \cdot \vec{H}[/tex]. So [tex]\vec{H}[/tex] almost satisfies the wave equation.

If we take another time derivative, we can use (*) to get rid of the term that involved the divergence. I have a feeling that this part is relevant to part 2.
 
Thank you fzero.
I just don't know how to compute [tex]\frac{\partial }{\partial t}i \vec \nabla \times \vec H[/tex].
I think I could try to workout the rest (I've noticed the identity you talk about as [tex]\vec \nabla \times (\vec \nabla \times \vec H )=\vec \nabla (\vec \nabla \cdot \vec H ) - \triangle \vec H[/tex].)
 
fluidistic said:
Thank you fzero.
I just don't know how to compute [tex]\frac{\partial }{\partial t}i \vec \nabla \times \vec H[/tex].
I think I could try to workout the rest (I've noticed the identity you talk about as [tex]\vec \nabla \times (\vec \nabla \times \vec H )=\vec \nabla (\vec \nabla \cdot \vec H ) - \triangle \vec H[/tex].)

It's simple because the derivatives commute:

[tex] \frac{\partial }{\partial t}i \vec \nabla \times \vec H = i \vec \nabla \times \frac{\partial \vec H}{\partial t} = i \vec \nabla \times ( i \vec \nabla \times \vec H ),[/tex]

where in the last step, we used (*).
 
Thanks a lot fzero. I solved part 1), though I'd like a clarification about when you said "So H almost satisfies the wave equation".
I've showed (and you probably did too) that [tex]\frac{\partial \vec H}{\partial t}[/tex] satisfies the wave equation. As it is linear, any derivative is also a solution, but I'm not sure -though I strongly believe- that [tex]\vec H[/tex] also satisfies it.
So why did you use to word "almost"?

I'll try part 2) now.
 
[tex]\vec{H}[/tex] satisfies

[tex] \frac{\partial^2 \vec{H}}{\partial t^2} - \Delta \vec{H} = - \nabla (\nabla \cdot \vec{H}).[/tex]

That's what I mean by "almost." Part 2 of the question addresses a condition under which [tex]\vec{H}[/tex] actually does satisfy the wave equation.
 

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