Equicontinuity at a point if.f. continuous function constant

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The discussion revolves around the concept of equicontinuity of a sequence of functions defined by a continuous function f: [0, ∞) → ℝ. Participants explore the conditions under which the set of functions {f_n(x) = f(x^n)} is equicontinuous at x=1, specifically investigating whether this property implies that f is a constant function.

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  • One participant asserts that if f is constant, then the functions f_n are equicontinuous at x=1, as they evaluate to the same constant value for all x.
  • Another participant suggests that if the functions f_n are equicontinuous at x=1, then for any ε > 0, there exists a δ > 0 such that |f(y^n) - c| < ε for y close to 1, where c = f(1).
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about how to rigorously conclude that f must be constant based on the equicontinuity condition, questioning the relationship between limits and continuity.
  • One participant proposes proving the contrapositive: if f is not constant, then the functions f_n are not equicontinuous at x=1, hinting at the use of limits in their argument.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on how to rigorously establish that f is constant based on the equicontinuity of the functions f_n. Multiple viewpoints and approaches are presented, but the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants express challenges in completing their arguments and understanding the implications of continuity and limits in this context. There is a reliance on intuitive reasoning without fully rigorous proofs being established.

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Hello,

I have a problem I cannot solve. I have been working with problems with convergence of sequences of functions for some time now. But I can't seem to solve most of the problems. Anyway here is my problem:

Consider a continuous function f: [0, \infty) \rightarrow \mathbb{R}. For each n define f_n(x) = f(x^n). Show that the set of continuous function \{f_1, f_2, \ldots \} is equicontinuous at x=1 if and only if f is a constant function.

1. Assume f = k is constant, then f_n(x) = f(x^n) = k for all x.

|f_n(x) - f_n(y) | = |f(x^n) - f(y^n)| = |k-k| = 0, so it is indeed equicontinuous everywhere, in particular at 1.


2. Assume f_n is equicontinuous at x=1. By definition this means

\forall \epsilon &gt; 0, \, \exists \delta &gt; 0 : |1 - y| &lt; \delta \Rightarrow |f_n(1) - f_n(y)| &lt; \epsilon holds for all n.

Now f_n(1) = f(1^n) = f(1) for all n, let's say f(1^n) = c, and f_n(y) = f(y^n). So we can write the above expression:

\forall \epsilon &gt; 0, \, \exists \delta &gt; 0 : |1 - y| &lt; \delta \Rightarrow |f(y^n) - c| &lt; \epsilon.

Now from this I want to arrive at f is constant. I think I need to use the fact that f is continuous but I can't see how. It feels intuitively right that if |f(y^n) - c| &lt; \epsilon for every n, it is arbitrarily close to a constant function along a sequence which for y &lt; 1 converges to 0, and for y &gt; 1 diverges to \infty.

Thanks in advance!
 
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Let's give an intuitive argument. I leave it up to you to get this thing rigorous.

Take ##\varepsilon## small. Find a ##\delta## such that equicontinuity holds at ##1##. We know that if ##|y-1|<\delta##, then ##|f(y^n) - c|<\varepsilon##. And you know this to be true for all ##n##. Assume that ##y = 1/2## is of ##\delta##-distance of ##1##. Then you know that all of

f(1/2), f(1/4),..., f(1/2^n)

are ##\varepsilon##-close to ##c##.

Let's take a smaller ##\varepsilon^\prime## now and take a ##\delta^\prime## satisfying equicontinuity. We might not have anymore that ##1/2## is within ##\delta^\prime##-distance of ##1##. But maybe ##\sqrt{1/2}## or something similar is, and then you know that all of

f(\sqrt{1/2}), f(1/2), ...

is within ##\varepsilon^\prime##-distance of ##c##, and this contains the previous sequence.

You see where I'm going??
 
Thanks for the reply!

But I am afraid I still don't see how this can be used to show that f is constant.

I think you are going for the fact that f must be constant since it is arbitrarily close to a constant function along every sequence?
There must be something I'm missing. It's the same with every single problem. I get halfway but then never manage to finish.

I have a question about this: In my textbook it says that

\lim_{x\rightarrow p} f(x) = q if and only if \lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} f(p_n) = q whenever p_n \neq p and \lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} p_n = p.

I must ask this. If we for example have that

for every p_n \rightarrow p have \lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} f(p_n) = constant implies that f is constant?
 
R136a1 said:
Let's give an intuitive argument. I leave it up to you to get this thing rigorous.

Take ##\varepsilon## small. Find a ##\delta## such that equicontinuity holds at ##1##. We know that if ##|y-1|<\delta##, then ##|f(y^n) - c|<\varepsilon##. And you know this to be true for all ##n##. Assume that ##y = 1/2## is of ##\delta##-distance of ##1##. Then you know that all of

f(1/2), f(1/4),..., f(1/2^n)

are ##\varepsilon##-close to ##c##.

Let's take a smaller ##\varepsilon^\prime## now and take a ##\delta^\prime## satisfying equicontinuity. We might not have anymore that ##1/2## is within ##\delta^\prime##-distance of ##1##. But maybe ##\sqrt{1/2}## or something similar is, and then you know that all of

f(\sqrt{1/2}), f(1/2), ...

is within ##\varepsilon^\prime##-distance of ##c##, and this contains the previous sequence.

You see where I'm going??

adam512 said:
Thanks for the reply!

But I am afraid I still don't see how this can be used to show that f is constant.

It is easier to prove the contrapositive: show that if f is not constant then (f_n) are not equicontinuous at 1.

You will want to recall that if x &gt; 0 then
<br /> \lim_{k \to \infty} x^{1/k} = 1.<br />
 

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