Equivalence relation on Vector Space

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The discussion revolves around the concept of equivalence relations in the context of vector spaces, specifically focusing on subspaces of ℝ². Participants explore the implications of defining an equivalence relation based on the membership of vector differences in a subspace.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines an equivalence relation v~w based on the condition that v-w is an element of a subspace W of a vector space V.
  • Another participant questions the choice of subspace W when V is specified as ℝ², suggesting that if W is the x-axis, the equivalence class containing (1,0) is W, while (0,1) belongs to a different equivalence class that is disjoint from W.
  • A different participant reiterates the definition of the equivalence relation and introduces a new subspace W spanned by (1,1), arguing that the zero vector (0,0) is not equivalent to (1,0) or (0,1) under this definition.
  • This participant also clarifies that not all equivalence classes are subspaces, emphasizing that only the subspace W itself contains the zero vector.
  • Another participant challenges the assertion that the zero vector is related to (1,0) and (0,1), stating that this relationship depends on whether these vectors are in W, thus questioning the assumption that they are.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of equivalence classes and their relationship to subspaces. There is no consensus on whether the zero vector is related to the vectors (1,0) and (0,1), and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of different choices for the subspace W.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in assumptions regarding the choice of subspace and the nature of equivalence classes, particularly in relation to whether they contain the zero vector or are subspaces themselves.

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Let W be a subspace of a vector space V. We define a relation v~w if v-w is an element of W.

It can be shown that ~ is an equivalence relation on V.

Suppose that V is R^2. Say W1 is a representative of the equivalence class that includes (1,0). Say W2 is a representative of the equivalence class that includes (0,1). Obviously the zero vector is related to (1,0) and (0,1).

But either two equivalence classes are similar, or they are disjoint. Am I missing something out?
 
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When you specified V=ℝ2, you didn't specify the subspace. Suppose that W={(x,0)|x in ℝ}. Now the equivalence class that contains (1,0) (which can be written as [(1,0)] but is more commonly written as (1,0)+W) is =W. (0,1) on the other hand, is a member of (0,1)+W, which is disjoint from W.

In this case, the subspace W is the x axis, which is a horizontal line in a diagram of the xy-plane. All of the equivalence classes are horizonal lines.
 
ych22 said:
Let W be a subspace of a vector space V. We define a relation v~w if v-w is an element of W.

It can be shown that ~ is an equivalence relation on V.

Suppose that V is R^2. Say W1 is a representative of the equivalence class that includes (1,0). Say W2 is a representative of the equivalence class that includes (0,1). Obviously the zero vector is related to (1,0) and (0,1).
Let W be the subspace spanned by (1, 1) (that is all (x, x)). The 0 vector (0, 0) is NOT equivalent to either (1, 0) or (0,1). If fact, it is easy to show that, no matter what W is, a vector is equivalent to (0, 0) if and only if it is in W.

But either two equivalence classes are similar, or they are disjoint. Am I missing something out?
Are you under the impression that these equivalence classes are themselves subspaces- and so all contain the 0 vector? That's not true. Of all the equivalence classes defined by W, only W itself is a subspace.

For example, in R2, all (non-trivial) subspaces are lines through the origin. The various equivalence classes defined by such a subspace are lines parallel to that line. So that all of them except the subspace itself are NOT through the origin, do NOT include (0, 0), and so are not subspaces.
 
ych22 said:
Obviously the zero vector is related to (1,0) and (0,1).
No, this is not obviously so. 0 being related to (1,0) means that their difference is an element of W. But that difference is precisely (up to sign) (1,0) itself. In other words, 0 is related to v if and only if v\in W. So you are in fact asserting that 'obviously (1,0) and (0,1) are in W'.
 

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