Errors in Electrostatic Self-Energy Calculation?

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The discussion focuses on deriving the electrostatic self-energy expression for an arbitrary spherically symmetric charge density distribution ρ(r). The initial attempt utilizes the potential φ(r) defined as φ(r) = (1/4πε(0)) ∫(ρ(r')/|r - r'|) d³r' and leads to the self-energy U expressed as U = (1/2) ∫ρφ d³r. A suggestion is made to simplify the calculation by considering the incremental potential energy dU when adding thin spherical shells of charge, leading to U = ∫dU. The importance of correctly applying limits on integrals is also highlighted.

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Homework Statement


Find an expression for the electrostatic self-energy of an arbitrary spherically symmetric charge density distribution ρ(r). You may not assume that ρ(r) represents any point charge, or that it is constant, or that it is piecewise constant, or that it does or does not cut off at any finite radius r. Your expression must cover all possibilities. Your expression may include an integral or integrals which cannot be evaluated without knowing the specific form of (r).

Homework Equations



[itex]\phi[/itex] = U/q

F=-∇U

E=-∇[itex]\phi[/itex]

U = (1/2) [itex]\int[/itex] ρ[itex]\phi[/itex]d3r

The Attempt at a Solution



For an arbitrary continuous charge distribution:

[itex]\phi[/itex](r) = [itex]\frac{1}{4*pi*ε(0)}[/itex] [itex]\int[/itex][itex]\frac{ρ(r')}{abs(r - r')}[/itex]d3r'

For spherically-symmetric distribution of charge:

[itex]\phi[/itex] = ([itex]\frac{1}{4*pi*ε(0)}[/itex] 2[itex]\pi[/itex] ∫ sin[itex]\theta[/itex]'d[itex]\theta[/itex]' ∫ r'2dr' [itex]\frac{ρ(r')}{r''}[/itex] cos[itex]\theta[/itex])

Then solving for U:

U = (1/2) ∫ρ ([itex]\frac{1}{4*pi*ε(0)}[/itex] 2[itex]\pi[/itex] ∫ sin[itex]\theta[/itex]'d[itex]\theta[/itex]' ∫r'2dr' [itex]\frac{ρ(r')}{r''}[/itex] cos[itex]\theta[/itex]) d3r

Could someone please tell me if I made any errors or assumptions that I should not have made for this situation?

Note: I couldn't figure out how to put limits on the integrals, but for the spherically-symmetric distribution of charge first integral (sin[itex]\theta[/itex]'d[itex]\theta[/itex]') is from 0 to pi and the second integral (r'2dr' [itex]\frac{ρ(r')}{r''}[/itex] cos[itex]\theta[/itex]) is from 0 to infinity. These also affect the equation for U, and there is no limits on the first integral in U.
 
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smantics said:

Homework Equations



U = (1/2) [itex]\int[/itex] ρ[itex]\phi[/itex]d3r


The Attempt at a Solution



For an arbitrary continuous charge distribution:

[itex]\phi[/itex](r) = [itex]\frac{1}{4*pi*ε(0)}[/itex] [itex]\int[/itex][itex]\frac{ρ(r')}{abs(r - r')}[/itex]d3r'

For spherically-symmetric distribution of charge:

[itex]\phi[/itex] = ([itex]\frac{1}{4*pi*ε(0)}[/itex] 2[itex]\pi[/itex] ∫ sin[itex]\theta[/itex]'d[itex]\theta[/itex]' ∫ r'2dr' [itex]\frac{ρ(r')}{r''}[/itex] cos[itex]\theta[/itex])

Hello. I don't see where your factor of cos##\theta## comes from in your last equation above.

If you're not required to use the equation U = (1/2) [itex]\int[/itex] ρ[itex]\phi[/itex]d3r, I think there is an easier way.

Imagine bringing in successive thin spherical shells of charge from infinity and building up the charge distribution like layers of an onion. Thus suppose you have currently already built up a spherical distribution of charge of radius r. Find an expression for the change in potential energy dU in bringing in the next layer of charge of thickness dr. Then U = ∫dU.
 

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