Estim. dark energy up by 3 percentage points. Any reaction?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on the recent estimation of dark energy's contribution to the universe's critical density, specifically addressing a paper by Michael Turner et al. Participants explore the implications of updated values for dark energy, dark matter, and baryonic matter, as well as the impact of different data sets on these estimates. The conversation touches on the relevance of these figures in cosmology and their use in informal citations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that informal citations of dark energy fractions often use values like 73% for dark energy, but a recent paper suggests this should be updated to 76%.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of using the best available data and cites a range of values for dark energy, indicating a preference for the figures provided in the Turner paper.
  • A different participant expresses uncertainty about the origin of the 76% figure, suggesting it may depend on the data set used, referencing WMAP data that reported different values.
  • Another participant highlights that the precise estimates for dark energy can vary significantly based on the combination of data sets used, with values ranging from 0.7 to almost 0.8.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the appropriate value for dark energy, as there are multiple competing views regarding the influence of different data sets on these estimates.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made in the estimates, as well as the dependence on specific data sets and models, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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When people cite the dark energy fraction informally (without errorbar) and other basic parameters they often have been saying something like

Hubble 71
dark energy 73%
dark matter 23%
baryonic 4%

If I remember right, those are the default values used in the calculator at Ned Wright's website.

Now in this 7 March paper by Michael Turner et al, right in the abstract up front I see

dark energy 76%
dark matter 20%
baryonic 4%

So are these new values that one should quote informally? Given the uncertainty it doesn't seem very different to say 76 instead of 73, but even though it is just a rough estimate I'd like to be aligned with the mainest of the stream---and keep the jarring dissonance to a minimum. So what numbers to you say?

Michael Turner recent:
http://arxiv.org/abs/0803.0982
 
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Cosmology is a field I haven't studied in detail. I have only gone through it enough to know generally what cosmologist are talking about and why. For me my interest in cosmology is limited to what it can provide as a testing ground. Since I don't have any ideas (wild ass guesses) that require these parameters at the moment the ball park figure is fine with me. However, as a cosmologist, keeping abreast and using the best numbers from the best available data is important. Given the authors and the following quotes under "10.1 Take-home facts":

10.1.5 Current observational status. Taken together, all the current
data provide strong evidence for the existence of dark energy; they constrain
the fraction of critical density contributed by dark energy, 0.76 ± 0.02, and the
equation-of-state parameter, w ≈ −1 ± 0.1 (stat) ±0.1 (sys), assuming that w is
constant. This implies that the Universe began accelerating at redshift z ~ 0.4
and age t ~ 10 Gyr. These results are robust – data from anyone method can be
removed without compromising the constraints – and they are not substantially
weakened by dropping the assumption of spatial flatness. <snip>

I would go with these figures.
 
I don't really know where that figure has come from; I guess it depends on what data set you're using. I know the recent WMAP data had omega_lambda 0.74 on its own, and that shrunk to about 0.72 when including other data sets (namely the BAO and SN data). I've not read the Turner paper, though, so I can't really comment on that; perhaps someone else can?
 
The precise numbers still depend on which data sets are used. For instance see the series of tables http://lambda.gsfc.nasa.gov/product/map/current/parameters.cfm" that show the values obtained using WMAP5 + many different combinations of other data. The best fit values for dark energy vary between 0.7 and almost 0.8 depending on which data sets are used!

There are a bunch of extensions to the basic LCDM such as non flat models, different dark energy models etc that are also covered.
 
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