Estimating Cooling Time of Steel Block at High Temperatures

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around estimating the cooling time of a steel block initially at 1000°C when exposed to ambient air at 22°C. Participants explore various heat transfer mechanisms, including convection and radiation, and consider different approaches to model the cooling process.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Adam suggests using the heat transfer equation Q=KAΔT to estimate cooling time but seeks clarification on the approach.
  • One participant recommends using the lumped capacitance approach for transient analysis, providing a formula that relates heat transfer to temperature change over time.
  • Another participant argues that at 1000°C, radiation becomes the dominant mode of heat transfer, suggesting that a finite element or finite difference model should be used to account for radiation effects alongside convection.
  • Some participants mention approximating radiation effects by incorporating them into the convection coefficient, although this is noted as a crude method.
  • One participant notes that numerical integration may be necessary due to the nonlinearity of the problem, suggesting the use of the Newton-Raphson method within a fully implicit scheme.
  • Another participant shares a personal anecdote about observing red hot ingots in a factory, implying practical experience with cooling times in a real-world setting.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the dominant heat transfer mechanisms, with some emphasizing convection and others highlighting radiation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to accurately estimate cooling time.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limitations of their approaches, including assumptions about temperature gradients and the validity of approximations like the Biot number. The discussion reflects a range of methods and considerations without consensus on a definitive solution.

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I have a steel block (2.75m x 1.6m x 0.5m) sat at 1000°C in ambient air (22°C)

How long will it take for a surface to drop to say 800°C

should i use the heat transfer eq: Q=KA\DeltaT to find the power in joules per second, then transpose to find seconds somehow?

Any help will be appreciated

Adam.
 
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Hi Adam. Your block sitting in open air is undergoing convective heat transfer. For transient analysis of this type, you'll need to use the lumped capacitance approach. We ignore the temperature gradient inside the block and assume that the entire block is at the same temperature. Then, with an energy balance, we equate the rate of heat transfer out of the block (convection) to the rate of change in internal energy of the block.

-\dot{E}_{out} = \dot{E}_{st}

Then:

-hA_{s}(T - T_{\infty}) = \rho Vc\dfrac{dT}{dt}

With a bunch of exciting math, we can arrive at:

\dfrac{\rho Vc}{hA_{s}} \ln\dfrac{T - T_{\infty}}{T_{i} - T_{\infty}} = t

Where:

<br /> <br /> \rho = \text{material density} \\<br /> V = \text{volume} \\<br /> c = \text{specific heat capacity} \\<br /> h = \text{convective heat transfer coefficient} \\<br /> A_{s} = \text{surface area exposed to the air} \\<br /> T = \text{final temperature} \\<br /> T_{i} = \text{initial temperature} \\<br /> T_{\infty} = \text{temperature of the air} \\<br /> t = \text{time taken to cool from } T_{i} \text{ to } T \text{ in seconds}\\<br /> <br />

At this point, consult some references to determine the specific heat capacity and the convective heat transfer coefficient, and then it's plug and chug. Watch out for units!

According to my reference here:

<br /> <br /> c_{steel} = \text{440 } \dfrac{\text{J}}{\text{kg}\cdot{\text{K}}} \\<br /> h_{air} = \text{20} \dfrac{\text{W}}{\text{m}^{2}\cdot{\text{K}}} <br /> <br />


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Keep in mind this is an approximation because we are assuming the gradient in the block has no effect on the rate of cooling (although most likely good enough for your needs). A measure of the validity of the approximation can be found through calculating the Biot number.

<br /> <br /> Bi = \dfrac{hL_{c}}{k}\\<br /> <br /> \text{Where:} \\<br /> <br /> L_{c} = \dfrac{V}{A_{s}} = \text{characteristic length} \\<br /> k = \text{thermal conductivity of the material} \\<br /> <br />

For a good approximation, Bi should be much less than 1.

Hope that helps!
 
You have a bit more of a problem here. The block is at 1000 C. Therefore radiation is the dominant heat transfer mode. Natural convection is dwarfed by radiation at these temperatures. My advice is to create a FE for FD model of it and include the radiation boundary condition along with the natural comvection condition.

If you cannot do this you can approximate the effect of radiation and lump it into the convection coefficient. It's crude but better than ignoring the major heat loss.
 
If you got access to the ford automobile factory in detroit, you might be able to measure this in real life.

Last time I was there, I remember red hot ingots emerging from where they were made and them sitting (still red) before they were moved to where they would be worked.
 
Assuming the block to be lumped, you can equate convection loss + radiation loss to heat term at steady state.
 
Due to its nonlinearity you'll have to perform a numerical integration in order to solve it. Newton Raphson embedded in a fully implicit scheme would work well.
 

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