Estimating Speed Using Work and Energy Equations

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The problem involves estimating the speed of a race car that skidded to a stop on a wet road, using work and energy equations. The context includes the mass of the car, the coefficient of friction, and the distance skidded before stopping.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of kinetic energy (KE) and the work done by the brakes, with some questioning the validity of the high values obtained. There is also a focus on the relationship between work and kinetic energy, and the need to consider frictional forces.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing calculations while others are questioning the assumptions and methods used. There is a recognition that the work done by friction must be calculated and equated to the initial kinetic energy, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach.

Contextual Notes

There is confusion regarding the units of work and energy, as well as the interpretation of the results obtained from the calculations. Participants are also discussing the implications of the frictional force in relation to the work-energy theorem.

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I have honestly been trying to figure this problem out for over an hour now, and every time I try to solve for KE, I get a ridiculously high number.

Homework Statement


A race car having a mass of 1000 kg was traveling at high speed on a wet concrete road under foggy conditions. The tires on the vehicle later were measured to have µ = 0.55 on that road surface. Before colliding with the guardrail, the driver locked the brakes and skidded 100 m, leaving visible marks on the road. The driver claimed not to have been exceeding 65 miles per hour (29 m/s). Use the equation W=KE to estimate the driver's speed upon hitting the brakes.

Homework Equations


W=KE
KE=(mv^2)/2

The Attempt at a Solution


Every time I try to substitute and solve for KE, I'm getting a workload of over 300,000 N for the brakes, obviously impossible.
 
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First of all, why is it "obviously impossible"? Secondly, how exactly are you getting that number? (i.e. show your work)
 
chaostheory1 said:
Every time I try to substitute and solve for KE, I'm getting a workload of over 300,000 N for the brakes, obviously impossible.
Show exactly what you are doing.

One formula you didn't list is the one you need to compute the work done by friction. What would that be?
 
Ok,
KE=(.5)(mv^2)
KE=(.5)(1000 kg * (29 m/s)^2)
KE=420,500 N
W=KE
How can I possible have 420,500 N of work done by brakes?
 
Or am I doing this wrong...
Since the force that stopped the car was frictional; won't I have to calculate the frictional force using the Newton weight of the car? And use the frictional force in the KE and Work formulas?
 
Work is not just equal to K.E.

The work-energy theorem says:

W = delta K.E. = [1/2 mv(final)^2] - [1/2 mv(initial)^2]
 
chaostheory1 said:
Ok,
KE=(.5)(mv^2)
KE=(.5)(1000 kg * (29 m/s)^2)
KE=420,500 N
W=KE
How can I possible have 420,500 N of work done by brakes?
The unit of work/energy is Joules, not Newtons. And why do you think that that is an unreasonable amount of energy, or that brakes can't handle it? (Note that you don't need to calculate this energy to solve the problem.)

chaostheory1 said:
Or am I doing this wrong...
Since the force that stopped the car was frictional; won't I have to calculate the frictional force using the Newton weight of the car? And use the frictional force in the KE and Work formulas?
Absolutely. What does the friction force equal? (Symbolically, not numerically.) Set the work done by friction equal to the initial KE, then solve for the speed.
 

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