Estimation example from Giancoli

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The forum discussion centers on a mathematical estimation example from the Giancoli textbook, specifically calculating the volume of a lake using the formula V=hπr². The user struggles to understand how the calculation leads to the result of 8×10⁶ m³. The correct process involves squaring the radius (5×10²) to obtain 250,000, multiplying by the average depth of 10 meters, and then by π (approximately 3), resulting in 7,500,000, which rounds to 8×10⁶ m³. The discussion clarifies the rules of scientific notation and exponent multiplication.

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Hello, I´m a bit math-challenged and just started to brush up on both physics and mathematics simultaneously but I'm still at absolute beginner status and I don't want to go on in the book as long as I can't even figure out such a simple example. I'm using the Giancoli textbook on physics for self-study but can't quite follow the simplest of examples in the first chapter. Since the problem lies in the mathematical part of my understanding and not the conceptually physical part I thought I'd post it here. Just wanted to check if I'm doing something wrong or whether there's a typo in the example because unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a list of errata for the book. Here it is:

1. Homework Statement

The example is about estimating the volume of a lake by using some rough measures and rounded-off numbers to get at the approximate order-of-magnitude.
So it says:

V=hπr2 ≈(10meters) × (3) ×(5×102meters)2≈8×106m3 ≈ 107 m3

where π has been rounded to 3, the average depth of the lake is 10m and the estimated radius of the surface is given by 5×102 (500 m).
I can't seem to follow how he arrives at 8 ×106.

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The Attempt at a Solution


In my mind it would come to 3×(5×105) and then maybe 1.5×101 ×105 and then 1.5 ×106. This is of course different from the given 8×106.

I figure I'm probably making a mistake here in the rules of multiplication of exponents and bracketing out but I can't figure out what it is. Any help would be much appreciated. Sorry for the absolute rookie level of mathematical (in)competence.
 
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EvD said:
Hello, I´m a bit math-challenged and just started to brush up on both physics and mathematics simultaneously but I'm still at absolute beginner status and I don't want to go on in the book as long as I can't even figure out such a simple example. I'm using the Giancoli textbook on physics for self-study but can't quite follow the simplest of examples in the first chapter. Since the problem lies in the mathematical part of my understanding and not the conceptually physical part I thought I'd post it here. Just wanted to check if I'm doing something wrong or whether there's a typo in the example because unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a list of errata for the book. Here it is:

1. Homework Statement

The example is about estimating the volume of a lake by using some rough measures and rounded-off numbers to get at the approximate order-of-magnitude.
So it says:

V=hπr2 ≈(10meters) × (3) ×(5×102meters)2≈8×106m3 ≈ 107 m3

where π has been rounded to 3, the average depth of the lake is 10m and the estimated radius of the surface is given by 5×102 (500 m).
I can't seem to follow how he arrives at 8 ×106.

Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution


In my mind it would come to 3×(5×105) and then maybe 1.5×101 ×105 and then 1.5 ×106. This is of course different from the given 8×106.

I figure I'm probably making a mistake here in the rules of multiplication of exponents and bracketing out but I can't figure out what it is. Any help would be much appreciated. Sorry for the absolute rookie level of mathematical (in)competence.

Don't forget to square the radius: (5×102)2 = 500 × 500 = 250,000

Multiply by the average depth: 250,000 × 10 = 2,500,000

Multiply by π (approx.): 2,500,000 × 3 = 7,500,000

Round final result to 1 significant figure: 7,500,000 ≈ 8,000,000 or 8×106 m3

Personally, I find writing some numbers in scientific notation tedious and confusing (for example, 5×102 for 500).

When you do square numbers written in scientific notation, remember to square the first part but double the exponent on the 10:

(5×102)2 = 25×104 = 2.5×105 = 250,000
 
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SteamKing said:
Don't forget to square the radius: (5×102)2 = 500 × 500 = 250,000

Multiply by the average depth: 250,000 × 10 = 2,500,000

Multiply by π (approx.): 2,500,000 × 3 = 7,500,000

Round final result to 1 significant figure: 7,500,000 ≈ 8,000,000 or 8×106 m3

Personally, I find writing some numbers in scientific notation tedious and confusing (for example, 5×102 for 500).

When you do square numbers written in scientific notation, remember to square the first part but double the exponent on the 10:

(5×102)2 = 25×104 = 2.5×105 = 250,000

Ah right of course. Thanks a million! That made a lot of sense and really helped me!
 

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