Euclidian topology ang cofinite topology

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The discussion revolves around proving that the Euclidean topology on the real numbers is finer than the cofinite topology. Participants explore the definitions and properties of these topologies, as well as related exercises involving continuity and openness of functions between these topological spaces.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests help to prove that the Euclidean topology is finer than the cofinite topology, emphasizing urgency due to an upcoming exam.
  • Another participant suggests considering an arbitrary open set in the cofinite topology and finding an open interval in the Euclidean topology that fits within it, proposing a method involving the minimum distance to excluded points.
  • A similar point is reiterated by another participant, reinforcing the idea that if for every open set in one topology there exists a corresponding open set in another, the latter is finer.
  • Additional requests for help are made regarding the continuity and openness of functions between the two topologies, with some uncertainty about whether the function in question is the identity function.
  • A participant explains that if the function is the identity, the statements about continuity and openness restate the relationship between the two topologies, while noting that if the function is arbitrary, the results may not hold.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach to proving the fineness of the Euclidean topology over the cofinite topology, but there is uncertainty regarding the implications of arbitrary functions between these topologies. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of the second exercise.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of the functions and the topologies involved may not be fully explored, and the implications of using arbitrary functions versus the identity function are not settled.

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please can you help me to prove this exercise;
Prove that:
the Euclidean topology R is finer than the cofinite topology on R



please answer me as faster as u can I have an exame on monday and I don't know to provethis exercise!
 
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Consider an arbitrary open set U in the cofinite topology. U is all of R except x_1,x_2,\ldots,x_n. Given some point x \in U can you find an open interval I containing x, but included in U. That is x \in I \subseteq U where I is open in the standard Euclidean topology and U is open in the cofinite topology. (HINT: can you show that the open interval centered at x with radius \min(|x-x_1|,|x-x_2|,\ldots,|x-x_n|) works?)

It's a well-known theorem that if for every open set U in a topology T, and every point x\in U we can find some set U' such that x \in U' \subseteq U and U' is open in the topology T', then T' is finer than T.
 
rasmhop said:
Consider an arbitrary open set U in the cofinite topology. U is all of R except x_1,x_2,\ldots,x_n. Given some point x \in U can you find an open interval I containing x, but included in U. That is x \in I \subseteq U where I is open in the standard Euclidean topology and U is open in the cofinite topology. (HINT: can you show that the open interval centered at x with radius \min(|x-x_1|,|x-x_2|,\ldots,|x-x_n|) works?)

It's a well-known theorem that if for every open set U in a topology T, and every point x\in U we can find some set U' such that x \in U' \subseteq U and U' is open in the topology T', then T' is finer than T.

thank you! U had helped me a lot thanks thanks
 
Can you help me and for this exercise please!

the function f:(X,T)->(X,T') is continuous
the function f:(X,T')->(X,T) is open



{T is the Euclidean topology,T' is cofinite topology}
[the function f maybe is the identity function id but I am not sure]
 
lindita said:
Can you help me and for this exercise please!

the function f:(X,T)->(X,T') is continuous
the function f:(X,T')->(X,T) is open



{T is the Euclidean topology,T' is cofinite topology}
[the function f maybe is the identity function id but I am not sure]

I'm assuming that you're asked to prove the two statements.

If f is the identity function then you're just restating the result in the OP. That f:(X,T)->(X,T') is continuous means that for every set U open in T', the set f^{-1}(U) = U is open in T. Hence this is equivalent to "if U is open in T', then U is open in T" which is just stating that T is finer than T'. The other statement is shown in exactly the same way.

If f is an arbitrary function then the result is not true because for every y \in X we can let f_y : (X,T') \to (X,T) be the constant function f(x) = y so f(X) = \{y\} is open according to your second statement. Since every one-element set is open T is the discrete topology, but the Euclidean topology is different from the discrete topology (unless of course X consists solely of isolated points).
 
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