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Is there anything that you don't sensationalise? Instead of this thread being proof of "Europe not [being] as progressive as Americans think it is", it is in fact proof of "Some European footballers and/or supporters are racist". I wouldn't have thought this is something that Americans were unaware of, since there are clearly racist/sexist/homophobic people living in the US: do you all really believe that there are places in the world where such people do not exist?
Well xxChrisxx, it's directed at a lot of people, but since you felt obliged to step forward, it does appears that you do not know the definition of the word racism
I'd say that the "racism" shown in some football games is that defined by 1. or 3. or both.dictionary.com said:rac⋅ism [rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
Typos happen.nor how to spell Spanish.
So you firmly believe that some people throwing a banana at a black person (a demeaning gesture to indicate they are a monkey) and being intimidating becuase they are black, is not racist?Well xxChrisxx, it's directed at a lot of people, but since you felt obliged to step forward, it does appears that you do not know the definition of the word racism nor how to spell Spanish.
Sadly there really are people who believe that all of the ideological problems here in the US are virtually nonexistent in other countries.do you all really believe that there are places in the world where such people do not exist?
People do the same with the US. This is a very large country and people don't seem to realize just how varied the culture and ideology is here. "Generalization" seems to happen everywhere.No offense, but I must say I think find it quite annoying when people talk about "Europe" in cases like this. Europe is no a country, it is a continent with (approximately) 50 countries where something like 700 million people of various creeds and colour live.
For the U.S. team's African-American players who grew up in what is largely a white, suburban sport at home, the blatant prejudice overseas has been eye opening.
"In America, we don't have that. No one is saying racial things at you," says U.S. midfielder DaMarcus Beasley, who plays in the Dutch League for PSV Eindhoven. "It's pretty bad in Spain, some in Italy. That goes with the territory."
In a European Champions League qualifier against Red Star Belgrade in Serbia and Montenegro in 2004, Beasley was welcomed rudely. When he touched the ball, he says, the fans whistled, booed and made monkey noises. At road games in the Netherlands, Beasley says, he faces similar treatment at times, which puzzles him because many of his team's opponents also have players of color.
Cory Gibbs, a black defender who had to withdraw from the U.S. team last week because of a knee injury, says he faced discrimination while playing for St. Pauli in Germany in 2003 and 2004. "My experiences were when we played in the east part of Germany," he says. "It's more direct and blunt; it's out there. In the U.S., things aren't as direct."
He says when he tried to enter restaurants in eastern Germany, he sometimes was told, "This is a private party. You're not welcomed."
First of all, these aren't just "sporting event".it is very unlikely that you would see this kind of behaviour at any other sport. You need to realize that football to many people is not really a "sport", it is a lifestyle where their whole lives is organized around "supporting" their teams and team loyalty is often inherited, in some cases there are very strong similarities to religion.If you want to see the true colors of people go to a sporting event.
Several examples were given that it is not being tolerated, but you apparently choose to ignore that.European countries might have the greenest economies, health care coverage for all of its citizens, and things like highly efficient mass public transportation, but all of that means nothing if hatred against certain groups of people because of the color of their skin is tolerated.
How many football games have you been to in these countries where racism is openly allowed? In fact, since you mention England, have you ever been to a game where fans were racist towards the players and it was tolerated? I'd say you haven't especially because I know that when fans in Spain were racist towards players in the England national team when a friendly was played over there, the English FA stepped in, condoned it, and threatened that England would not play there again unless there was a promise that such racism was not permitted.These acts aren't just in Spain and Italy, blatant examples of racism at soccer matches is all over Europe from England, Germany, Belgium, and France to Croatia, Poland, and Serbia.
But I sure do hope that as a European you don't identify yourself with hooligans :uhh:I am European and I am racist against what stadiums transform (many) sport fans into : alcohol plus mass = brain failure. So yes, it appears that as a European, I have no shame claiming my prejudice.