Evaluating the location r_m of the minimum of potential

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the location \( r_m \) of the minimum of a potential function related to a gas of neutral atoms modeled as an ideal gas. The potential function is given in both dimensional and dimensionless forms, and participants are exploring how to find the minimum point of this potential.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss differentiating the potential function to find its minimum and question the necessity of invoking force concepts. There is a specific inquiry about how to evaluate the location of \( r_m \) for the minimum potential.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights on the relationship between the potential minimum and equilibrium positions. There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical expressions involved, though no consensus has been reached on the evaluation method.

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Participants are navigating the implications of differentiating the potential function and the conditions under which the minimum occurs, questioning the assumptions related to the force and equilibrium definitions.

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Homework Statement


A gas of neutral atoms is often modeled as an ideal gas, where the gas atoms are considered to be "elastic billiard balls" that only interact by bouncing off each other in a manner that conservers the total kinetic energy.

Homework Equations


V(r) = 4(Epsilon)[(delta/r)^12 - (delta/r)^6]

in dimensionless form
U(xi) = 4 [(1/xi)^12 - (1/xi)^6]

xi= delta/r, U = V(r)/epsilon

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so i differentiated V(r) to get F(r),since F(r) = - dV(r)/dr.The force at the minimum of the potential is zero and the potential minimum defines the equilibrium position of the system.
 
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Generally speaking, you can find the extrema (minimum, maximum, saddle point) of any function f(x) by calculating when its derivative is 0. You don't need to invoke the force here.
 
my question was how do i evaluate the location of r_m of the minimum potential.
 
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tasleem moossun said:
The force at the minimum of the potential is zero and the potential minimum defines the equilibrium position of the system.
 
so basically the location of r_m would be -4(epsilon)[(-12(delta^12)/r^13 + 6delta^6/r^7]
 
No, it is the r where this expression is zero.
 

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