Even More Induction: Showing 2n Subsets in n Element Set

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The discussion centers around proving by induction that a set with n elements has 2^n subsets. Participants explore the foundational aspects of set theory and the implications of the induction process.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the base case for n = 1 and clarify that a set with one element has two subsets: the element itself and the empty set. They outline an inductive approach, considering a set with p elements and extending it to p + 1 elements, while questioning how to count the new subsets formed by adding an element.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the inductive step, with some participants suggesting ways to count subsets that include or exclude the new element. Guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between subsets of the original set and the new set formed by adding an element, although clarity on certain aspects remains a topic of inquiry.

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Participants express confusion regarding the counting of subsets and the application of the inductive hypothesis. The discussion reflects a mix of understanding and uncertainty about the principles of set theory and induction.

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Homework Statement



Show with induction that a set with n elements have 2n subsets.

The Attempt at a Solution



I assume this should only be for all natural numbers, but I cannot even show that it applies to n = 1. Let's say we have a set S = {x(1)}. That has 1 element, but only 1 subset, not 2? I'm confused. Have I missed something from basic set theory?
 
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It has two subsets. {x(1)} and the empty set {}.
 
Of course. Thanks a bunch. Here is another go at it.

The Attempt at a Solution



(1) Show that it is true for n = 1:

A set S contains the element x(1). S can form two subsets S' and S'', where S' = {x(1)} and S'' = {}.

(2) Show that if it is true for n = p, then it is true for n = p + 1

Assume that if a set P contain p elements, then 2p subsets can formed from it.

P = {x(1), x(2),..., x(p)}
Q = {x(1), x(2),..., x(p), x(p+1)}

So P contains 2p subsets. Naturally, Q must contain 2p + C number of subsets, where C is a unknown constant. For (2) to be true 2p + C must be equal to 2p+1. This seems to mean that the power set P' contains 2p elements. So this means that I should attempt to figure out exactly how many elements are added to P' to form the power set Q' if you add an element to P? I'm not entire sure how to do this.
 
Moridin said:
P = {x(1), x(2),..., x(p)}
Q = {x(1), x(2),..., x(p), x(p+1)}

How many subsets are there that don't contain x(p+1)? (inductive hypothesis)

then count how many have x(p+1) in it...add those two together.
 
How many new possible subsets can you create, when you have one more element to pick?
 
Every subset of Q (with x(p+1) added) is of two kinds: those that do not have x(p+1) in them and those that do not. How many subsets of Q do NOT have x(p+1) in them (remember that those would also be subsets of P)?

And every subset of Q that does contain x(p+1) is a subset of P union {x(p+1)}.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Every subset of Q (with x(p+1) added) is of two kinds: those that do not have x(p+1) in them and those that do not. How many subsets of Q do NOT have x(p+1) in them (remember that those would also be subsets of P)? And every subset of Q that does contain x(p+1) is a subset of P union {x(p+1)}.

That would be 2p?

Kurret said:
How many new possible subsets can you create, when you have one more element to pick?

Too hard question.

The first subset would be {x(p+1)}.
Then we have the {x(n), x(p+1)} subsets, where n goes from 1 to p and so on with more elements added.

I know no general principle or line of thought to answer your question.
 
Let be concrete here. Take P to be the set of {1,2,3...p}. Take Q to be the set of {1,2,3...p,p+1}. All of the subset of P are also subsets of Q. And there are 2^p of them by the inductive hypothesis. All of the subsets of P are also subsets of Q. The only new subsets consist of a subset S of P that contains also contains p+1. Right? So there are 2^p new subsets. What's 2^p+2^p?
 
Dick said:
Let be concrete here. Take P to be the set of {1,2,3...p}. Take Q to be the set of {1,2,3...p,p+1}. All of the subset of P are also subsets of Q. And there are 2^p of them by the inductive hypothesis. All of the subsets of P are also subsets of Q. The only new subsets consist of a subset S of P that contains also contains p+1. Right? [bb]So there are 2^p new subsets.[/b] What's 2^p+2^p?

That's 2p+1, which proves that if it is true for n = p, it is also true for n = p+1. I understand that all subsets of P are also subsets of Q. However, I do not understand how the text in bold follows. How can you show how many more subsets can form when you add another element?
 
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You have 2^p sets without that element. If you add that new element to each of the 2^p sets, you get 2^p additional sets. If you put them all together you get all sets made from p+1 elements. For a total of 2^(p+1).
 
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Dick said:
You have 2^p sets without that element. If you add that new element to each of the 2^p sets, you get 2^p additional sets. If you put them all together you get all sets made from p+1 elements. For a total of 2^(p+1).

Of course. That makes sense. Thanks a bunch.
 

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