Exact solution of a 4th order DE

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter DarkLord777
  • Start date Start date
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on solving the fourth-order differential equation u'''' + 5u = f on the interval (0,1) with specified boundary conditions. The user proposes a homogeneous solution involving exponential and trigonometric functions, specifically u_h = A*exp(Zx)*sin(Zx) + B*exp(Zx)*cos(Zx) + C*exp(-Zx)*sin(Zx) + D*exp(-Zx)*cos(Zx), where Z = (sqrt(2)/2)*sqrt(sqrt(5)). The community confirms that a particular solution, u_p = f/5, is valid and emphasizes the importance of ensuring that the final solution satisfies all boundary conditions. Users also mention using Mathematica and Wolfram Alpha for solving the equations, noting challenges with boundary conditions.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of fourth-order differential equations
  • Familiarity with boundary value problems
  • Knowledge of the superposition principle in differential equations
  • Experience with computational tools like Mathematica or Wolfram Alpha
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the method of undetermined coefficients for finding particular solutions
  • Learn about the superposition principle in the context of differential equations
  • Explore advanced features of Mathematica for solving boundary value problems
  • Investigate numerical methods for solving differential equations without analytical solutions
USEFUL FOR

Mathematicians, engineers, and students working on differential equations, particularly those dealing with boundary value problems and seeking computational solutions.

DarkLord777
Messages
3
Reaction score
0
Hi guys,

I am trying to find the exact solution of:

u'''' + 5u =f on (0,1) f is a constant >0

where

u(0)=u'(0) =0
u''(1) =k constant >0
u'''(1)=0

I assumed I should look at solving the homogeneous equation and got the following

uh = A*exp(Zx)*sin(Zx) + B*exp(ZX)*cos(Zx) + C*exp(-Zx)*sin(Zx) +D*exp(-Zx)*cos(Zx)

Where Z is (sqrt(2)/2)*sqrt(sqrt(5)) and A,B,C,D are constants.

My questions are:

1) Am I on the right track
2) How would I go about solving for the particular solution
3) Does the exact solution actually exist?

Thanks
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Just by inspection, u=f/5 is a particular solution right?
 
surely the particular solution must satisfy the boundary conditions?
 
You are on the right track and the problem is well posed.
^depends how particular

The solution of the equation can be written as a sum by the superposition principle. The final answer needs to satisfy the differential equation and the boundary conditions (and is a particular solution. The terms we are adding up need not satisfy all (or any) of the conditions. Just let each term satisfy certain conditions and keep track that the sum will satisfy all conditions.

basically either take
u = A*exp(Zx)*sin(Zx) + B*exp(ZX)*cos(Zx) + C*exp(-Zx)*sin(Zx) +D*exp(-Zx)*cos(Zx) +f/5
and fit the boundary conditions or take
u = A*exp(Zx)*sin(Zx) + B*exp(ZX)*cos(Zx) + C*exp(-Zx)*sin(Zx) +D*exp(-Zx)*cos(Zx) +E
and fit the boundary conditions and u'''' + 5u =f

It is the same in the end
 
What did we do before Mathematica?

Code:
z = (Sqrt[2]/2)*Sqrt[Sqrt[5]]; 

u[x_] := a*Exp[z*x]*Sin[z*x] + b*Exp[z*x]*Cos[z*x] + c*Exp[(-z)*x]*Sin[z*x] + d*Exp[(-z)*x]*Cos[z*x]+f/5; 

myequations = {0 == u[0], 0 == Derivative[1][u][0], k == Derivative[2][u][1], 0 == Derivative[3][u][1]}

Solve[myequations, {a, b, c, d}]
 
Hmmm and if I don't have mathematica?

I tried wolfram alpha but it can't solve it with all 4 boundary conditions.
If I only use 2 I end up with a massive equation (18+ terms) that I still have to solve for 2 constants.

I tried solving it by hand from scratch and get the wrong answer. (well wrong according to my finite element program - and I know it is correct!)
 
wolfram alpha can be wonky but I entered

u''''(x) + 5u(x) =f;u(0)=0,u'(0)=0,u''(1)=k,u'''(1)=0

and got a reasonable answer
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
4K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
4K
  • · Replies 36 ·
2
Replies
36
Views
5K