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The discussion revolves around examples and definitions of nonlinear operators in mathematics. Participants explore the characteristics that distinguish nonlinear operators from linear ones, providing various examples and seeking clarification on the mathematical forms of such operators.

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  • One participant requests an example of a nonlinear operator, expressing uncertainty about their characteristics.
  • Another participant provides a definition of a nonlinear operator, explaining that it does not satisfy the linearity condition for certain vectors and scalars.
  • A two-dimensional example of a nonlinear operator is presented, illustrating the failure of linearity with specific calculations.
  • Some participants assert that nonlinear operators can be any arbitrary function that is not linear, citing examples like sine, logarithmic, and polynomial functions.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the mathematical form of a specific nonlinear operator, comparing it to known operators in quantum mechanics.
  • It is noted that any well-defined function can serve as an operator, reinforcing the validity of the operator defined in the initial post.

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Participants generally agree on the nature of nonlinear operators and provide various examples, but there is no consensus on the specific mathematical form of the operator introduced by the initial poster.

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Some participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions and forms of operators, indicating a need for further clarification on the topic.

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Can someone give me an example of a nonlinear operator? My textbooks always proves that some operator is a linear operator, but I don't think I really know what a nonlinear operator looks like.

One of my books defines an operator like [tex]\hat{B} \psi = \psi^2[/tex]. I see that this is a nonlinear operator because:

[tex]\hat{B} (\psi_1 + \psi_2) = (\psi_1 + \psi_2)^2[/tex]

...and this is different from [tex]\psi_1^2 + \psi_2^2[/tex] which you would get by letting the operator B act on each function. But how can you define an operator like this? What would the mathematical form of such an operator be?
 
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An operator that is not linear?? In other words, an operator, A, is nonlinear if and only if there exist some vectors, u and v, and some numbers, a and b, such that A(au+ bv) is NOT equal to aA(u)+ bB(v). That's a perfectly good "mathematical definition". I not sure what you mean by a "mathematical form". What is the "mathematical form" of a linear operator?

Notice that if A(v)= v2[/sub] (assuming a one dimensional vector space for which squaring makes sense) then A(au+ bv)= (au+ bv)2= a2u2+ 2abuv+ b2v2 which is NOT the same as aA(u)+ bA(v)= au2+ bv2.

A two-dimensional example might be A((x,y))= (x2,y2). Then A(a(x,y)+ b(p,q))= A((ax+bp,ay+ bq))= (ax+bp)2, (ay+ bq)2= (a2x2+2abxp+ b2p2,a2y2+ 2abyq+ b2q2) which is not the same as aA(x,y)+ bA(p,q)= a(x2,y2)+ b(p2,q2)= (ax2+ bp2,ay2+ bq2).

Linear problems have the nice property that you can "take them apart", solve the simpler parts, and put those back together to get a solution to the original problem. With "non-linear" problems you can't do that. Essentially, "Linear Algebra" is the study of linear problems and so you very seldom have anything to do with non-linear operators. That is a much harder study!
 
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Can someone give me an example of a nonlinear operator? My textbooks always proves that some operator is a linear operator, but I don't think I really know what a nonlinear operator looks like.

they look like absolutely anything that is not linear. They are just arbitrary functions between spaces. f(x)=ax for some a are the only linear operators from R to R, for example, any other function, such as sin, x^2, log(x) and all the functions you know and love are non-linear operators.

One of my books defines an operator like [tex]\hat{B} \psi = \psi^2[/tex]. I see that this is a nonlinear operator because:

[tex]\hat{B} (\psi_1 + \psi_2) = (\psi_1 + \psi_2)^2[/tex]

...and this is different from [tex]\psi_1^2 + \psi_2^2[/tex] which you would get by letting the operator B act on each function. But how can you define an operator like this?

You just did define it.
 
Thanks a lot for the quick reply! What I meant was, what is the mathematical form of the operator [tex]\hat{B}[/tex] that I introduced? For example, the form of the momentum operator [tex]\hat{p}[/tex] in quamtum mechanics is [tex]- i \hbar \frac{d}{dx}[/tex], and the form of the laplace operator is:

[tex]\frac{d^2}{dx^2} + \frac{d^2}{dy^2} + \frac{d^2}{dz^2}[/tex]

But what is the form of the operator B that I introduced (I believe you called it A)? What would I write instead of the operator?
 
An operator is just a function. In this case, it sends one function to another function. For example, d/dx sends the function x^2 to the function 2x. But any well defined function works as an operator, even if we have not assigned a nice symbol like d/dx to it, and the operator you defined in your first post is perfectly valid.
 
Thanks to all of you, I understand it now! :-)
 

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