Example of onto function R->R^2

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding an example of an "onto" function from the real numbers ℝ to the two-dimensional real plane ℝ². Participants explore various approaches and clarify the requirements for such a function.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that any combination of vectors along the x-axis cannot cover the entire xy-plane and proposes a function f(x) = |t|x for any t ∈ ℝ, questioning if there are more elegant examples.
  • Another participant introduces a parameterization approach, defining two functions x and y from ℝ to ℝ, and proposes a function z: ℝ → ℝ² as a vector of these two functions.
  • A third participant challenges the first suggestion by emphasizing the need for a unique output for each input in a function, proposing a method to split the decimal expansion of x into two parts to create a surjective function f(x) = (a(x), b(x)).
  • A later reply acknowledges the clarification provided by the third participant regarding the definition of a surjective function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the examples of onto functions, with no consensus reached on a single elegant example. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to define such a function.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the technical definition of surjectivity and the need for unique outputs for each input, indicating potential limitations in the initial proposals.

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What is an example of an "onto" function f: ℝ→ℝ2 ?

Any combination of vectors along the x-axis will not be able to leave the x-axis to cover the entire xy plane, so i was thinking of something like f(x) = [itex]\left|\stackrel{t}{x}\right|[/itex] for any t[itex]\in[/itex]ℝ, but I was wondering if there are more elegant examples...
 
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See what I can do:

Let: ##t\in\mathbb{R}##
... then I can define two functions ##x,y \in \mathbb{R}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}\; : \; x=f(t), y=g(t)##
... then I can make ##z:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}^2\; : \; \vec{z}=(x,y)##

... we would say that f(t) and g(t) is a parameterization of z(x,y).
 
@Aziza, what do you mean by "any [itex]t \in \mathbb{R}[/itex]". If your [itex]f[/itex] is a function, then for a given input [itex]x[/itex], you need to specify a unique output [itex]f(x)[/itex]. E.g. [itex]f(1)[/itex] can only be one point in the plane, you can't have [itex]f(1) = (1, 0)[/itex], and also [itex]f(1) = (1,1)[/itex], and also [itex]f(1) = (1, -\pi)[/itex], and so on.

Since I can't tell whether this is a homework question or not, I'll give you something between a hint and a full answer: for a given [itex]x \in \mathbb{R}[/itex], split the decimal expansion of [itex]x[/itex] into two parts and create new real numbers out of each of those two parts (we can call these two numbers [itex]a(x)[/itex] and [itex]b(x)[/itex]). Then if you've done things right, the function [itex]f:\mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R}^2[/itex] defined by [itex]f(x) = (a(x), b(x))[/itex] will be surjective.

@Simon, Aziza has asked for a surjective function [itex]\mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R}^2[/itex]. You've given a function [itex]\mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R}^2[/itex], but nothing about it makes it onto. Note that onto is a technical term, another word for it is surjective. A function [itex]f: A \to B[/itex] is surjective iff [itex]\forall b \in B, \exists a \in A : f(a) = b[/itex].
 
@AKG: understood, thanks.
 

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