Examples of normal and non-normal extensions of Q?

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The discussion revolves around finding examples of normal and non-normal extensions of the rational numbers Q, specifically addressing the existence of such extensions for various degrees. Participants seek to clarify definitions and provide examples, while also exploring the implications of these extensions in the context of algebraic structures.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests examples of non-normal extensions of Q of degree n for n > 2, as well as normal extensions of degrees 3, 4, and 5.
  • Another participant defines a normal extension and suggests that one can adjoin a number to Q such that its minimal polynomial does not split, addressing the first part of the request.
  • A different participant notes that the algebraic closure of Q is not a subfield of R and suggests looking for complex numbers on the unit circle to find normal extensions.
  • There is a reiteration of the definition of normal extensions, emphasizing the requirement for the minimal polynomial to split in the extension field.
  • One participant challenges the idea that adjoining a single number could yield an extension of degree n, while another counters by providing an example of adjoining \(\sqrt[3]{2}\) as a non-normal extension of degree 3.

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Participants express differing views on the feasibility of obtaining extensions of specific degrees by adjoining single elements, indicating a lack of consensus on the methods to achieve the requested examples.

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Some assumptions regarding the nature of the extensions and the properties of the minimal polynomials are not fully explored, and there are unresolved questions about the specific examples that meet the criteria outlined in the initial request.

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Hi, I'm really struggling to find examples (with proofs) of the following:

1) For each n>2 give an example of a non-normal extension of Q of degree n.

2) Give examples of normal extensions of Q of degrees 3,4 and 5.

3) Show that for any positive integer n, there exists a normal extension of Q of degree n.

Any help would be much appreciated!
 
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So an extension [itex]\mathbb{Q}\subseteq K[/itex] is normal if for all [itex]\alpha\in K[/itex] the minimal polynomial of [itex]\alpha[/itex] splits in K. Or equivalently if K is the splitting field of a polynomial in [itex]\mathbb{Q}[/itex].

So, can you adjoin a number [itex]\alpha[/itex] to [itex]\mathbb{Q}[/itex] such that the minimal polynomial doesn't split?? This answers (a).
 
for 2) remember that the algebraic closure of Q is not a subfield of R, so you need to look for some complex numbers that make this happen. i suggest looking on the unit circle, perhaps?
 
micromass said:
So an extension [itex]\mathbb{Q}\subseteq K[/itex] is normal if for all [itex]\alpha\in K[/itex] the minimal polynomial of [itex]\alpha[/itex] splits in K. Or equivalently if K is the splitting field of a polynomial in [itex]\mathbb{Q}[/itex].

So, can you adjoin a number [itex]\alpha[/itex] to [itex]\mathbb{Q}[/itex] such that the minimal polynomial doesn't split?? This answers (a).

But adjoining one number will surely not give you an extension of degree n as required in the question?
 
riskos said:
But adjoining one number will surely not give you an extension of degree n as required in the question?

It might, for example, adjoining [itex]\sqrt[3]{2}[/itex] gives you a nonnormal extension of degree 3.
 

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