Existence of divergent solutions to system of ODEs

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The discussion revolves around the existence of divergent solutions in systems of ordinary differential equations (ODEs), particularly in the context of ecological modeling. Participants explore the conditions under which solutions diverge, the implications of divergence, and potential methods for analyzing such systems.

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  • Technical explanation
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their research involving coupled ODEs that exhibit divergence for certain initial conditions and seeks literature or techniques related to this issue.
  • Another participant questions the notion of divergent series as solutions, suggesting that they do not define functions and may imply instability in the series method of solution.
  • A different participant mentions that divergent series can be considered solutions as formal series and references concepts like Borel summability.
  • One participant emphasizes that divergence occurs when solutions tend to infinity as time approaches infinity, contrasting this with solutions that settle or exhibit oscillatory behavior.
  • Another participant suggests that the divergence described may relate to non-linear dynamics and the concept of attractors, indicating that solutions can diverge when outside an attractor's basin of attraction.
  • A later reply proposes that if numerical integration is being used, switching from an explicit to an implicit integrator might be beneficial, and highlights the importance of analyzing the eigenvalues of the Jacobian matrix for stability assessment.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of divergent solutions and the implications of divergence in ODE systems. There is no consensus on the definitions or methods for addressing divergence, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on specific definitions of divergence and stability, as well as the unresolved mathematical steps related to the analysis of eigenvalues and numerical methods.

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My question is in regards to systems of ordinary differential equations. One of my research topics right now involves working with some complicated coupled ODEs used to model ecological stuff. Without getting into the details, the model I am working on now has a bad tendency to diverge for some initial conditions. I have thought and searched for a while now, but have been unable to come up with some good ways of determining when a system of ODEs will have certain solutions that diverge. Does anyone know of some literature or techniques that might be useful for me? I would very much appreciate any help you could provide. Thank you very much.

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To avoid further misunderstanding, the type of equations I am considering are of the form:

\frac{d X_i}{dt} = F_i(\mathbf{X)}

When I say that a solution diverges, I mean that given a set of initial conditions, the solution will diverge in time. As for what I mean by diverge, I mean that solutions tend to infinity as t approaches infinity. So solutions that settle in on a point, or go through some oscillatory behavior, even chaotic oscillatory behavior, would be considered non-divergent.
 
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Strictly speaking, a divergent series does not define a function. So I am not at all sure what you mean by a divergent series being a solution. It sounds to me like you are asking for conditions in which the "series method" of solution is unstable.
 
Divergent series are solutions as formal series, and sometimes they define functions, but in sectors, of course not in discs. See Borel summability and multisummablity.
 
My apologizes for not making my question as clear as it should have been. All the systems of equations I am working with are of the form:

\frac{d X_i}{dt} = F_i(\mathbf{X)}

So when I say that a solution diverges, I mean that given a set of initial conditions, the solution will diverge in time. As for what I mean by diverge, I mean that solutions tend to infinity as t approaches infinity. So solutions that settle in on a point, or go through some oscillatory behavior, even chaotic oscillatory behavior, would be considered non-divergent.

I hope this clarifies what I mean. I'll append this to the opening post.
 
vega12 said:
My apologizes for not making my question as clear as it should have been. All the systems of equations I am working with are of the form:

\frac{d X_i}{dt} = F_i(\mathbf{X)}

So when I say that a solution diverges, I mean that given a set of initial conditions, the solution will diverge in time. As for what I mean by diverge, I mean that solutions tend to infinity as t approaches infinity. So solutions that settle in on a point, or go through some oscillatory behavior, even chaotic oscillatory behavior, would be considered non-divergent.

I hope this clarifies what I mean. I'll append this to the opening post.

Well that just sounds like non-linear dynamics in general and the solution diverges as you described when it finds itself outside an attractor's basin of attraction.
 
vega12 said:
My apologizes for not making my question as clear as it should have been. All the systems of equations I am working with are of the form:

\frac{d X_i}{dt} = F_i(\mathbf{X)}

So when I say that a solution diverges, I mean that given a set of initial conditions, the solution will diverge in time. As for what I mean by diverge, I mean that solutions tend to infinity as t approaches infinity. So solutions that settle in on a point, or go through some oscillatory behavior, even chaotic oscillatory behavior, would be considered non-divergent.

I hope this clarifies what I mean. I'll append this to the opening post.

Are you solving the equations numerically, using some kind of numerical integration package? If so, and you are using an explicit integrator, you may want to switch to an implicit integrator.

You can get an idea of the stability of the solution by looking at the eigenvalues of the Jacobian matrix, evaluated at the initial conditions. If any of the eigenvalues have a positive real part, the solution will be unstable, irrespective of the numerical integration method.
 

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