Existent solution to the linear system Ax=b

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which a solution exists for the linear system Ax=b, where A is a symmetric matrix and c spans the null-space of A. Participants explore the implications of the orthogonality of vector b with respect to c and its relation to the existence of solutions.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if b is not orthogonal to c, then a solution to Ax=b does not exist, prompting a formal demonstration of this claim.
  • Another participant proposes examining the expression (Ax)^T c, indicating that it could lead to insights regarding the relationship between Ax and c.
  • A different participant notes that if c spans the null-space, then any vector x would yield x^T Ac=0, raising questions about how this relates to the existence of solutions.
  • Further, a participant discusses the implications of A being an n-dimensional symmetric matrix and introduces the concept of decomposing a basis into components, suggesting that the zero vector c must be perpendicular to b for full rank.
  • There is a query regarding whether the implication that Ax is perpendicular to c follows from the earlier points made in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of orthogonality and the conditions for the existence of solutions, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Assumptions about the dimensions of A and the properties of the null-space are present but not fully explored. The discussion also touches on concepts like rank and nullity without resolving specific mathematical steps.

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Suppose that the linear system Ax=b is given for some symmetric A, and it is known that vector c spans the null-space of A.

How could one formally show that if b is not orthogonal to c, the solution to the system Ax=b does not exist?
To remind you, the null-space of A contains all vectors u for which Au=0.
 
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Think about

[tex](Ax)^T c[/tex]

where x is an arbitrary vector and c spans the null-space.
 
That would imply x^T Ac=x0=0. How do you relate this to the above problem?
 
onako said:
Suppose that the linear system Ax=b is given for some symmetric A, and it is known that vector c spans the null-space of A.

How could one formally show that if b is not orthogonal to c, the solution to the system Ax=b does not exist?
To remind you, the null-space of A contains all vectors u for which Au=0.

Hey onako.

I'm assuming A is nxn (since you said it is symmetric). From this if c spans the null-space it must be an n-dimensional column vector.

From this you can use the decomposition argument that a basis can be broken into something and its perpendicular element (some books write it as v_perp + v = basis). Your zero vector c is perpendicular to b if you wish to have full rank.

If this is not the case, then you can show that you don't have full rank and that a solution should not exist. For specifics you should look at rank nullity, and for the v_perp + v = basis thingy, this is just a result of core linear algebra with spanning, dimension, and orthogonality.
 
onako said:
That would imply x^T Ac=x0=0. How do you relate this to the above problem?

Doesn't this imply that Ax is perpendicular to c?
 

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