Expanding Universe-Colliding Galaxies?

  • Context: Undergrad 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Jimmy9
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Expanding Galaxies
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the apparent contradiction between the expanding universe and the phenomenon of colliding galaxies. Participants explore concepts related to cosmic expansion, gravitational interactions, and the structure of the universe, including galactic and supercluster formations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that while the universe is expanding and galaxies are generally moving apart, gravity can cause certain galaxies to collide if they are sufficiently massive and close together.
  • One participant highlights that the expansion primarily affects the space between galactic superclusters, creating vast empty regions, while gravitationally bound clusters remain intact.
  • There is a discussion about the structure of the universe, with some participants describing long tendrils connecting galaxy clusters, referred to as supercluster filaments, which are larger structures composed of multiple superclusters.
  • Another participant emphasizes that these supercluster filaments are gravitationally bound, suggesting that they maintain their relative positions despite the expansion of the voids between them.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the nature of cosmic structures and the implications of gravitational forces versus cosmic expansion. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of how these structures interact and the terminology used to describe them.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts such as dark energy and gravitational binding without reaching a consensus on their roles in the context of cosmic expansion and galaxy collisions. The discussion includes assumptions about the scale of structures and the effects of gravity that are not fully explored.

Jimmy9
Messages
4
Reaction score
0
Ive heard the space between galaxies grows over time and that the universe is expanding in every direction..ive also seen the balloon explanation were they make dots on a balloon and blow it up to demonstrate the expansion of the universe, if this is true how is it we have colliding galaxies? Something to do with galactic clusters? gravity? Differing velocities? The weakness of dark energy vs gravity at this stage?
 
Astronomy news on Phys.org
Good question---and you've already given the right answer.

The universe is expanding overall---and thus, on average, galaxies are moving apart. None the less, certain galaxies can be big enough (and close enough) that their gravity will overcome the expansion and pull them closer together.

Its the same idea as what allows galaxies to form in the first place---on small enough scales, gravity is able to overcome the effects of expansion.

Note that this doesn't have anything to do with 'dark energy' which is the cause of accelerated expansion.
 
It's mainly the space between the galactic super clusters that is generally expanding and creating vast almost empty regions giving our visible universe a somewhat filamentary bubbled appearance. Galactic clusters such as our own , which belongs to the Virgo Super cluster and includes Andromeda and the Milky Way are gravitationally bound to their super clusters and stay within their boundaries.

Here is a chart of super clusters and the separating voids.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nearsc.gif
 
but so the long tendrils of galaxies stretching from cluster to cluster, these would be "stretching," correct?

I mean, there are tendrils connecting galaxy clusters, right?
 
SHISHKABOB said:
but so the long tendrils of galaxies stretching from cluster to cluster, these would be "stretching," correct?

I mean, there are tendrils connecting galaxy clusters, right?



They aren't tendriles of galaxies. They are tendriles of superclusters the largest

structures known structues in our universe. They are called supercluster filaments,

complexes, or walls and are considered larger structures than super clusters because

they themselves are composed of many superclusters stretched out in filament fashion.


They appear thinned out because they span greater distances, up to a billion light years.

So it's better to consider superclusters as small nodes along larger supercluster

filaments instead of large nodes to which smaller supercluster filaments are attached.


Being structures indicates that they are gravitationally bound. Which in turn would mean

that the filamentary superclusters would hold their relative positions in relation to each

other while the voids between filaments expand.
 
Last edited:

Similar threads

  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 53 ·
2
Replies
53
Views
9K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 90 ·
4
Replies
90
Views
5K