Expanding Universe without dark energy

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the expanding universe and whether this expansion can be explained without invoking dark energy. Participants explore the implications of a universe behaving like a balloon in a vacuum, questioning the mechanisms behind the observed movement of celestial bodies.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the universe could be in a vacuum, with stars moving away not due to dark energy but because of a balloon-like behavior.
  • Another participant clarifies that only distant galaxies are observed to be moving apart and argues that while models without dark energy can exist, they do not match the observed expansion profile of the universe.
  • A further response critiques the balloon analogy, stating that the expansion is not driven by pressure in a vacuum, as there is no pressure between stars in such a scenario.

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Participants express differing views on the role of dark energy in the universe's expansion. While some acknowledge the possibility of an expanding universe without dark energy, there is no consensus that such a model accurately reflects the universe we observe.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the expansion dynamics and the dependence on specific models of cosmology. The balloon analogy is challenged, indicating a need for clarity on the physical mechanisms involved.

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Question of a noob.
Dear all!

I'm not a scientist, but I'm thinking about something, I'm curious, is it possible to believe that our universe is in a vacuum, the stars are moving away a not because of the dark energy but becouse it behave like a luffbaloon in a vacoom. Sorry for noob questions.
 
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The stars don't move away. Only distant galaxies do.

Yes, they move apart even in models without dark energy. However, no matter how you play around with the mix of matter and radiation in the model universe you cannot get the expansion profile to match the universe we see around us. To get what we see you have to add dark energy to the models.

So although you can have an expanding universe without dark energy, it does not appear to be the one we live in.
 
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takacszoltan87 said:
becouse it behave like a luffbaloon in a vacoom
That behavior is driven by the pressure of the gas inside a balloon. In a vacuum there is no pressure between stars and other celestial objects that aren't effectively in contact with each other, and there is no material outer boundary to press against.
 
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takacszoltan87 said:
TL;DR Summary: Question of a noob.

Dear all!

I'm not a scientist, but I'm thinking about something, I'm curious, is it possible to believe that our universe is in a vacuum, the stars are moving away a not because of the dark energy but becouse it behave like a luffbaloon in a vacoom. Sorry for noob questions.
Okay, Thank you very much for everyone, it make sense!
 
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