Expected Max of n Realizations of X: Mean + SD?

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The discussion revolves around the expected maximum of n realizations of a random variable X with known mean and standard deviation. Participants explore whether the expected maximum can be expressed as the mean plus the standard deviation, considering various distributions and mathematical reasoning.

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  • One participant questions the assumption that E[max] equals E[X] plus the standard deviation, suggesting that this relationship does not hold universally.
  • Another participant provides a specific example using the standard uniform distribution, calculating the expected maximum and showing that E[max] is less than E[X] + std.
  • It is noted that the expected maximum heavily depends on the distribution of the random variable, with contrasting examples illustrating different expected maxima.
  • A participant mentions that while the relationship holds for a degenerate distribution, it may only be a special case for non-degenerate distributions.
  • Discussion includes a proposal that replacing "standard deviation" with a "spread" parameter in uniform distributions allows the equality to hold, with a detailed explanation of how this relates to the limits of expected maximum as n approaches infinity.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on whether E[max] can be universally expressed as mean plus standard deviation. Multiple competing views remain regarding the conditions under which such relationships may hold.

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Limitations include the dependence on the specific distribution of the random variable and the conditions under which the proposed relationships are valid. The discussion highlights the need for careful consideration of distribution characteristics when evaluating expected maxima.

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Suppose I have a random variable X with known mean and standard deviation. After n realizations of X, what is the expected maximum of those n realizations?

When n is very large, we know the mean of those realizations will be the mean of the distribution. Is the expected maximum simply the mean plus the standard deviation? If so, how can one show this?
 
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No reason why E[max] = E[X] + std.

Suppose you are working with the standard uniform distribution F(x) = x. Then E[F] = 1/2, Std[F] = 1/sqrt(12) ===> E[F] + std[F] = 0.79.

Define G = Max{F1, F2} where each of Fi is independently distributed F.

Prob{G < x} = Prob{Max{F1,F2} < x} = Prob{F1 < x and F2 < x} = Prob{F1 < x}Prob{F2 < x} = F(x)^2 = x^2.

E[G] = Integral of (x dx^2) from 0 to 1 = Integral (2x^2 dx) = 2 Integral (x^2 dx) = 2(x^3)/3, which, when calculated from 0 to 1, equals 2/3 < 0.79.

The intuition with the uniform distribution is: the expected values of k independent draws separate the unit interval into k + 1 equal subintervals. So when k = 2, E[min] = 1/3 and E[max] = 2/3. In general, E[min] = 1/(k+1) and E[max] = k/(k+1).
 
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It depends heavily on the distribution. After all, a random variable that (uniformly) takes the values 0 and 1 will have a much different expected maximum than a random variable that only takes on the value 1/2.
 
The relationship E[max] = mean + std does hold in Hurkyl's 2nd example, which is a degenerate (although legitimate) distribution.

If there is a non-degenerate distribution such that the above equality holds, then it has to be a special case.

Although, ghotra, if you replace "standard dev." with the "spread" parameter, defined as the half-length of the interval over which the uniform distribution is defined, then your equality does hold for each and every uniform distribution.

If the uniform dist. is defined over a < x < b, then as the number of draws n ---> infinity, then E[max] ---> b. (In my previous post I had used k for n.)

Define spread = (b - a)/2 = b - (b + a)/2 = b - mean, for any uniform distribution.

It follows that b = mean + spread.

And since Limit[E[max]] = b, the equality "Limit[E[max]] = mean + spread" holds.
 
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