Experience god do we then gain knowledge of god?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the philosophical implications of experiencing qualities associated with a deity, particularly in relation to Immanuel Kant's theories of knowledge. Participants explore whether experiencing concepts like love can lead to knowledge of God, and the definitions of key terms such as "God," "experience," and "knowledge." The conversation touches on the nature of knowledge acquisition and the limitations of human understanding in relation to divine concepts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that knowledge can only be gained through concepts applied to experiences, suggesting that knowledge of God may be unattainable due to the inability to experience God directly.
  • One participant humorously asserts that experiencing love could lead to knowledge of geology, drawing an analogy that may not be taken seriously.
  • Another participant challenges the idea that love is a quality of God, arguing that redefining God as love does not add clarity to the concept.
  • There is a call for clearer definitions of terms such as "God," "experience," "knowledge," and "love" to further the discussion.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about their understanding of Kant's theory and seeks validation of their interpretation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between love and God, with some arguing against equating the two. There is no consensus on whether experiencing love equates to gaining knowledge of God, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the definitions and implications of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of defining abstract concepts and the philosophical challenges in relating human experiences to divine attributes. Participants acknowledge the need for precise terminology to advance the conversation.

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ok I'm beginning to read a bit of kant... so what i understand is that we can only GAIN KNOWLEDGE by using concepts and applying it to experiences.

it goes to say that we can not know god in this case because we can never experience god?

a question someone asked me when i was discussing this though is if say love is a quality of a god and we experience god do we then gain knowledge of god?
 
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Actually, experiencing love means that we gain knowledge of geology, since the deep principle behind stones is their near-unbreakability, just like the fact that love never dies. :smile:
 


lol well I'm assuming that was a sarcastic comparisson... but the thing is that love isn't a quality of being a rock right?
 


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lol well I'm assuming that was a sarcastic comparisson... but the thing is that love isn't a quality of being a rock right?

No one can be certain a rock is devoid of love. We can be fairly certain that rocks are devoid of life (in biological terms) and this cements (pun not intended) arildno's statement by pointing out that rocks have never lived, thusly they can never die.

However, we are, by definition, living examples of how the evolution of minerals can result in a living rock.

For your inquiry to go much further we have to define your terminology...

for instance, define "god"... define "experience"... and define "knowledge" and "love". We can assume that there is an acceptable and objective definition of life already out there.
 


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ok I'm beginning to read a bit of kant... so what i understand is that we can only GAIN KNOWLEDGE by using concepts and applying it to experiences.

it goes to say that we can not know god in this case because we can never experience god?

a question someone asked me when i was discussing this though is if say love is a quality of a god and we experience god do we then gain knowledge of god?

The problem here is that you are arbitrarily redefining "god" as "love", even though it adds nothing new to the concept of "love".
 


Oh this isn't a question I had my self. Just something someone else i was discussing Kant with brought up and I didn't know how to respond.

My answer to this person was along the lines of Moridin, that 'love' doesn't mean 'god' so therefore if you experience love you do not experience god... I was just wondering what everyone here thought about th question cause i thought it was interesting.

As well whether or not my understanding of Kants theory of knowledge is even correcting. I'm finding it quite difficult :P
 

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