Experimental confirmation of electroweak?

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The discussion centers on the experimental confirmation of electroweak unification, particularly regarding the discovery of the W and Z bosons in 1983. Participants explore the implications of these discoveries for the relationship between the weak force and electromagnetism, as well as the status of unification with the strong force.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about how the discovery of the W and Z bosons confirms the electroweak unification theory, questioning the relationship between the weak force and electromagnetism.
  • One participant notes that experimental data, including cross sections and decay rates, contribute to the statistical confirmation of electroweak theory, rather than just the discovery of new particles.
  • Another participant explains that the relationship between the coupling constants of the electroweak theory must hold true for the unification to be valid, referencing a specific mathematical relationship involving the fine structure constant.
  • There is a mention of grand unified theories (GUTs) and the lack of experimental verification for the unification of the strong force with the electroweak force, highlighting the challenges in testing these theories at current energy scales.
  • One participant recalls a popular article discussing the discovery of the W and Z bosons and their significance, while questioning how their discovery relates to electromagnetic unification.
  • Another participant elaborates on the unification concept, explaining how the W, Z, and photon are related within the electroweak group and how their masses influence the strength of the weak force compared to electromagnetism.
  • There is a reference to the electroweak model's prediction of the Z boson's mass, noting that its experimental mass matched theoretical predictions closely.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement regarding the implications of the W and Z boson discoveries for electroweak unification. Some participants agree on the significance of the experimental data supporting the theory, while others remain uncertain about the relationship between the weak and electromagnetic forces. The discussion on grand unification remains unresolved, with no consensus on its experimental verification.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the electroweak unification and the challenges in experimentally verifying grand unified theories, indicating that current collider experiments may not be able to test these ideas effectively.

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Can you clear something up for me?

I see that the discovery of the W and Z boson in 1983 is described as confirming the electroweak unification theory.

I was thinking that the W and Z were carriers of just the weak force.

I don’t see how the experimental discovery of the W and Z show that electromagnetism and the weak force are really one force at higher energies.

Was it the experimental discovery of something else that confirms the electroweak unification?

Can you clear this up for me?

I have a follow-up also – has the strong force been experimentally verified as unified with the electroweak force yet? If so what particle or particles were discovered and when? I don’t recall this making the news (yet).

Thanks
-Sparky
 
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Sparky_ said:
Can you clear something up for me?

I see that the discovery of the W and Z boson in 1983 is described as confirming the electroweak unification theory.

I was thinking that the W and Z were carriers of just the weak force.

I don’t see how the experimental discovery of the W and Z show that electromagnetism and the weak force are really one force at higher energies.

Was it the experimental discovery of something else that confirms the electroweak unification?

Can you clear this up for me?

Experiments don't just detect new particles. They also measure cross sections for scattering processes and decay rates of the elementary particles that are produced. It is this wealth of data that can be used to statistically confirm the electroweak theory.

Electroweak unification is partly verified (it's also strongly tied to the charge assignments of the fundamental particles) by confirming the relationship between the SU(2)\times U(1) coupling constants,

\frac{1}{g_1^2} + \frac{1}{g_2^2} = \frac{1}{4\pi\alpha} ,

where \alpha is the fine structure constant. Some relationship of this form must hold if the electromagnetic U(1) gauge group is nontrivially embedded in both factors of the electroweak group. Extracting the electroweak parameters like g_1,g_2 is done by comparing theoretical vs experimental results for many processes, not just the W and Z masses.

I have a follow-up also – has the strong force been experimentally verified as unified with the electroweak force yet? If so what particle or particles were discovered and when? I don’t recall this making the news (yet).

Unification of the strong and electroweak forces is what's referred to as a grand unified theory (GUT). Despite various theoretical motivations for grand unification, no GUT has been experimentally verified. It is worth pointing out that the most probable scale for grand unification is many orders of magnitude above what we can test at a collider experiment for the foreseeable future. Observational cosmology might have some chance to provide at least indirect tests of GUT ideas before we have the technology or funding to build a solar system scaled collider.
 
I recall reading something - pretty sure it was in Discover years and years ago regarding the discovery of the W and / or Z boson and how that confirmed the electroweak unification.

The article (of course for the average person - like me) seemed to point to the success of I forget which accelerator in this discovery.

I now see that W and Z seem to be associated with just the weak force.

Am I correct that the W and Z are carriers of the weak force?

Am I correct in recalling that there was celebration with the experimental discovery of either or both the W and Z?

If the W and Z are carriers of the weak force how does their discovery do anything for the electromagnetic side?

Thanks again
-Sparky_
 
What we mean by unification is that the electromagnetic force is not simply the U(1) factor of the electroweak SU(2)\times U(1). It's easy to roughly sketch a bit of how things work by considering how the W, Z and photon, A_\mu, embed into the EW group. For the SU(2) factor, the 3 gauge boson are a Hermitian matrix that we can write as

\begin{pmatrix} C^0_\mu & C^+_\mu \\ C^-_\mu & - C^0_\mu \end{pmatrix},

while we'll denote the carrier of the U(1) by B_\mu. Then we have the identifications

W^\pm_\mu = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} C^\pm_\mu, ~~Z_\mu = C^0_\mu \cos\theta_W - B_\mu \sin\theta_W ,~~ A_\mu = C^0_\mu \cos\theta_W + B_\mu \sin\theta_W,

where \theta_W is called the weak mixing (or Weinberg) angle. Unification is the fact that the photon and Z are orthogonal linear combinations of the same neutral gauge bosons. The pattern of electroweak symmetry breaking through the Higgs mechanism gives the Z combination a mass, but leaves the photon massless.

This is to be contrasted with nonunification, where perhaps we try to identify C^0 with the Z and B with the photon. Such an attempt would not be consistent with observation.

The W and Z are carriers of the weak force. Their large masses explain why the weak force is so much weaker than the electromagnetic force at scales well below the EW symmetry breaking scale. Observation of the W and Z was a great triumph, but the associated analysis of the rest of the data regarding electroweak interactions had a more profound effect on our understanding of physics.
 
Sparky, I think what you're thinking of was the electroweak model's prediction of the mass of the Z. Basically, the nature of the electroweak unification means that you can predict the mass of the Z (well, ignoring small quantum corrections) knowing only three parameters - the electromagnetic coupling constant (e), the (charged current) weak coupling strength (usually given in terms of the Fermi constant, G_F), and the W mass (m_W). Given these, the Z mass should be
m_Z = \frac{m_W}{\sqrt{1-\frac{e^2}{4\sqrt{2}m_W^{\phantom{W}2}G_F}}}.
And, in fact, when the Z was found, its mass matched that prediction quite well.
 

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