Experimental status of stellar structure

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the experimental understanding of stellar structure, specifically how temperature and pressure vary within a star, and the methods used to infer these properties through models and observations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the extent to which experimental methods can reveal information about the internal conditions of stars, such as temperature and pressure as functions of radius.
  • Another participant explains that while direct experimental measurement of internal stellar conditions is not possible, models based on known physics can predict these conditions. Observational data can then be compared to these predictions.
  • A follow-up question seeks clarification on what specific predictions can be made and tested based on these models.
  • A response details how pressure and temperature increase with gas compression, using the Sun as an example to illustrate predictions about its core temperature and the process of hydrogen fusion, supported by the detection of neutrinos as evidence of fusion occurring.
  • A participant acknowledges their background in physics and mathematics, indicating a limited understanding of astrophysics, which frames their inquiries.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion does not reach a consensus but rather explores the relationship between theoretical models and experimental observations in understanding stellar structure.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of direct experimental access to stellar interiors and the reliance on models and indirect evidence, such as neutrino detection, to infer stellar processes.

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A naive question from someone who knows nothing about the subject:

I was wondering how much we can tell experimentally about what's going on inside a star. Can we determine, say, how the temperature or pressure vary as a function of the radius?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Not purely by experiments, no. But we know a great deal about the basics of physics and can build models that predict what the internal structure should be like. We can then take our observations from experiments we CAN do and compare them to predictions by our models. If they match, then we take that to mean our models are accurate.
 
Thanks for your reply. Can I ask you to elaborate about what we can predict and test, based on such models?
 
Sure. For example, we know how pressure and heat builds as you compress a gas. Knowing the mass of the Sun and the radius we can predict what the temperature inside the Sun should be. If our prediction is accurate, the core should approach a temperature that allows it to fuse protons together to form helium. So how do we know that the Sun is fusing hydrogen? Well, one way is that we know the fusion process releases particles known as neutrinos. Neutrinos don't interact very well with matter and can pass through the Sun very easily. We have detectors here on Earth that have detected a small portion of these neutrinos, giving us evidence that the Sun is indeed fusing hydrogen in its core.

Does that make sense?
 
Sure, thanks. [Just to clarify, I know a bit about general physics, just not astrophysics! My undergrad degree was in maths and physics, so astrophysics was the sort of thing that had to make way for the maths...]
 

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