Explaining Chain Rule: vdv/dx=1/2(dv^2)/dx

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The discussion revolves around the application of the chain rule in calculus, specifically in the context of classical mechanics. Participants explore the relationship between velocity as a function of position and time, and how this relates to the equation vdv/dx = 1/2(dv^2)/dx. The conversation includes differentiation and integration techniques relevant to these concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of the equation vdv/dx = 1/2(dv^2)/dx and seeks clarification on its derivation.
  • Another participant suggests differentiating v^2 with respect to x and provides a method to eliminate dy/dx to arrive at the result.
  • A different participant expresses understanding of a related step in the problem involving separating differentials and questions the integration of the left-hand side with respect to v^2.
  • One participant explains the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus, stating that the integral of df is simply f plus a constant, applying this to the integration of m d(v^2).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial question regarding the equation vdv/dx = 1/2(dv^2)/dx, as some provide methods to approach the problem while others seek further clarification. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the integration step and its implications.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding assumptions about the independence of mass from velocity and the conditions under which the chain rule is applied. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with calculus concepts among participants.

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ok stupid question probably-
take v(velocity) to be a function of x and x to be a function of t(time).
then dv/dt=vdv/dx that's cool
but in the hint in problem 2.12 classical mechanics by john r taylor he equates vdv/dx and 1/2(dv^2)/dx
that is- vdv/dx=1/2(dv^2)/dx
Could someone please explain this?
 
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Just assume, v2 = y , then differentiate both sides w.r.t x, you have,
d(v2)/dx = dy/dx ...(1)
2v dv/dx = dy/dx......(2)

and then eliminate dy/dx to solve 1 and 2, and you have your result...and I think this should be moved to homework or something.
 
thanks universal i had just got that part,also in the next step of hint he separates the differentials like so-
md(v^2)=F(x)dx
now how is it possible to integrate the lhs wrt v^2??
 
For any function, f, the integral of df is just f (plus the "constant of integration) - that's the "Fundamental Theorem of Calculus".

\int m d(v^2)= m\int d(v^2)= mv^2+ C
assuming that m is a does not depend on v.
 

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