Explaining Hydrogen-Like Ions and Quantum Numbers for Li2+

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The discussion revolves around hydrogen-like ions, specifically the Li2+ ion, and the associated quantum numbers and energy states. Participants explore the definitions and implications of hydrogen-like ions, the use of reduced mass in calculations, and the correct application of quantum numbers and energy equations.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants attempt to clarify the meaning of hydrogen-like ions and the significance of quantum numbers for Li2+. There are questions about the application of the reduced mass concept and its relevance to the calculations of energy states. Some express confusion regarding the use of the atomic number Z in the energy equations.

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Some participants have provided insights into the concept of reduced mass and its simplification of calculations. There is an acknowledgment of a mistake regarding the atomic number used in energy calculations, and further clarification is sought on the implications of reduced mass.

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Participants are navigating through the definitions and relationships in quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of hydrogen-like ions. There is an emphasis on understanding the assumptions behind using reduced mass and the correct parameters for Li2+ in energy calculations.

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Homework Statement


(a) Explain the term Hydrogen like ion and determine the quantum numbers l,m for the Li2+ ion in the states for which n=1 and n=2.

(b) Explain why for a hydrogen-like ion it is reasonable to use the relations,
[tex]\mu\approx{m_e}[/tex], [tex]{E_n}=-13.6\left(\frac{Z^2}{n^2}\right)[/tex]

(c) What are the energies of the n=1 and n=2 states in Li2+ ?


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The Attempt at a Solution


(a) A hydrogen like ion is an atom with only 1 electron

(b)[tex]\frac{{M_N}{M_e}}{{M_N}+{M_e}}[/tex] I've then said that the [tex]M_e[/tex] term on the denominator is negligible and the [tex]M_N[/tex] terms will cancel.
This are from my notes but reading over them i don't understand it.

(c)I don't know how to do this, when i put n=1 and n=2 into the equation, using Z=1, i don't get the right answer. The correct answers are -122.4eV for n=1 and -30.6eV for n=2.

any hints??
 
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b) You have the answer already. The mass of the electron is so small compared to the mass of the nucleus that effectively you just have a particle orbiting an "infinite" mass (i.e. the nucleus won't be affected by the electron much).

c) Z=1 is for Hydrogen, not Li2+. Do you know what the Z stands for in that equation?
 
Matterwave said:
b) You have the answer already. The mass of the electron is so small compared to the mass of the nucleus that effectively you just have a particle orbiting an "infinite" mass (i.e. the nucleus won't be affected by the electron much).

c) Z=1 is for Hydrogen, not Li2+. Do you know what the Z stands for in that equation?

Ah yes stupid mistake, (c) is fine then, but (b) i still don't get, what does the reduced mass actually represent?
 
When you work with a reduced mass, you effectively reduce a system from 2 particles orbiting the center of mass to a system of 1 particle with the reduced mass orbiting the center of mass. This makes many calculations easier, since you don't have to deal with 2 particles all the time. For the system with one mass significantly more massive than the other mass, the center of mass is very close to the center of the massive object. So, in effect your system is already reduced to 1 particle with the "reduced mass=actual mass of the orbiting particle" orbiting around the center of mass.
 
Matterwave said:
When you work with a reduced mass, you effectively reduce a system from 2 particles orbiting the center of mass to a system of 1 particle with the reduced mass orbiting the center of mass. This makes many calculations easier, since you don't have to deal with 2 particles all the time. For the system with one mass significantly more massive than the other mass, the center of mass is very close to the center of the massive object. So, in effect your system is already reduced to 1 particle with the "reduced mass=actual mass of the orbiting particle" orbiting around the center of mass.

Ok thanks, that's cleared it up for me!
 

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