Can Opiates Shape a Future of Enhanced Intelligence and Pain-Free Existence?

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The discussion explores the potential future implications of using opiates and their effects on intelligence and pain management. Participants examine the philosophical and ethical considerations surrounding a life enhanced by opioid receptors, questioning the balance between pleasure and cognitive function.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that manipulating opioid receptors could lead to a painless existence with enhanced intellectual capacity.
  • Others argue that such a state might result in diminished mental capacity, equating it to living in a drug-induced stupor.
  • Questions arise about what "gain" would actually be achieved through this approach, with skepticism about the value of a life devoid of critical thought.
  • Concerns are raised about the societal implications of creating "perfect citizens" who work mindlessly to support their drug use.
  • One participant notes that reducing sensory stimuli could negatively impact intelligence and memory, referencing individuals with eidetic memory.
  • A later reply questions whether the introversion of individuals with eidetic memory affects their intelligence or if there is a biochemical basis for this relationship.
  • Historical references are made to individuals like Edgar Allan Poe, who reportedly used opiates for inspiration, though the connection to mathematicians is less clear.
  • Another participant mentions resources that discuss the potential for abolishing suffering through technological means, suggesting that this could be achieved without negative consequences.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the implications of using opiates for enhancing intelligence or achieving a pain-free existence. The discussion remains unresolved, with competing perspectives on the benefits and drawbacks of such an approach.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of empirical evidence supporting claims about the effects of opiates on intelligence and the potential societal consequences of widespread use. The discussion also highlights the complexity of the relationship between sensory stimuli, memory, and cognitive function.

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Using the MU1 and Kappa1 and all those receptors with diacetylmorphine or maybe other opium extracts, could we in the future live in a constantly satisfied, painless existence? Less Pain More Gain, intellectually?
 
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In other words, live in a drug induced stupor. :rolleyes: Gee, who wouldn't want to live in a constant state of diminished mental capacity?
 
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What exactly is the "gain" one would be achieving?
 
Some are dreaming of brain washed people. :rolleyes:
Work to pay their opium, endlessly without any thougth or resistance! The perfect citizens!
 
go figure

Use the opioid receptors to diminish pain and increase pleasure... F.. Gain being, theoretically, more time to think, heh.
 
_You_ might be interested in www.hedweb.org .

For the rest, it's worth noting that beyond the rhetoric, the site actually possesses a vast web of interconnected paper abstracts about pharmacology, etc, that I have found intriguing and useful (mostly as a diving board for further research).

lates,
cotarded.
 
Oh my god, what was the book where they did that? Its classic SF. Maybe it was Brave New World?
 
Bringing down sensory stimuli will diminish intelligence and memory. v_v

Simply seen with people who have eidetic memory.
 
Has it been rigorously shown that it is the introversion in individuals with eidetic memory that stunts their intelligence, as opposed to a mutual biochemical basis? It seems to me something like a naturally lowered threshold for LTP/STP could compromise intelligence by causing false positives in reasoning or predisposing one to digressions into familiar reasoning tracts, if not just fouling the delicate balance of preservation and elimination that is necessary to cull important patterns from noise in learning.
Plenty of intelligent people have been opiate abusers, many used it for inspiration - see Edgar Allan Poe for instance. But I admit I can't readily come up with any mathemeticians who shared the past-time :).

Addressing Cosmo16's mention of Brave New World, hedweb has an excellent series of essays on why abolitionism (as in abolishing sentient suffering, not slavery, except in reference to our state of enslavement by evolved systems of control) through chemical/bioengineering/nanotechnological means doesn't have to end up at all like that.
check them out here: http://www.huxley.net/ .

lates,
cotarded.
 
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