Exploring Ansatz Metric of 4D Spacetime

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The discussion revolves around the exploration of the Ansatz metric for 4D spacetime, particularly focusing on the calculation of the Ricci curvature components and the Ricci scalar. Participants are examining the relationships between 4-dimensional and 3-dimensional curvature tensors and the implications of these calculations within the context of general relativity.

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  • One participant presents an Ansatz metric for 4D spacetime and outlines the equations they need to prove regarding the Ricci curvature and scalar.
  • Another participant suggests that the difficulties may arise from not accounting for extrinsic curvature terms when relating 4D and 3D curvatures, referencing Gauss and Codacci relations.
  • A third participant mentions having calculated both the 4D and 3D Ricci tensors separately, implying a potential misunderstanding or miscommunication about the desired results.
  • Another participant proposes that using Einstein's field equations might simplify the problem and questions whether the focus should be on the 3D Ricci tensor or the 3x3 subcomponents of the 4D Ricci tensor.

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Participants express differing views on the approach to calculating the Ricci tensors, with some emphasizing the importance of extrinsic curvature while others focus on direct calculations. There is no consensus on the best method to proceed with the calculations.

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There are indications of missing assumptions regarding the definitions of the tensors and the specific components being sought, as well as unresolved steps in the calculations presented by participants.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying general relativity, differential geometry, or anyone involved in advanced mathematical physics, particularly in the context of curvature tensors and spacetime metrics.

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Ansatz metric of the 4 dimensional spacetime:

ds^2=a^2 g_{ij}dx^i dx^j + du^2 (1)

where:

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Metric g_{ij} \equiv g_{ij} (x^i) describes 3 dimensional AdS spacetime

i,j = 0,1,2 = 3 dimensional curved spacetime indices

a(u)= warped factor

u = x^D = x^3

D = 3 = number of spatial dimensional


Now I have to proof that

R_{ij} = [(\frac{a'}{a})' + 3 (\frac{a'}{a})^2 - \frac{\Lambda_3}{a^2}] a^2 g_{ij}

R_{33} = -3 [(\frac{a'}{a})' + (\frac{a'}{a})^2]

R = 6 [(\frac{a'}{a})' + 2 (\frac{a'}{a})^2] - \frac{3\Lambda_3}{a^2}

where

R_{ij} = the Ricci curvature of metric (1)

R = the Ricci scalar of metric (1)

a' = \frac{∂a}{∂u}


My steps to calculate R_{ij}:

  • calculating R_{\mu\nu}, where \mu,\nu = 0,1,2,3 = 4 dimensional curved spacetime indices

  • finding that R_{\mu\nu} = ... R_{ij} (failed)

  • Subtituting R_{\mu\nu} = ... R_{ij} to R_{\mu\nu} = \Lambda_D g_{\mu\nu} (failed)

Furthermore I can't find R_{33} and R


What are the right steps to find R_{ij}, R_{33}, R ?
 
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The trouble you are probably running into (I can't say for sure since I can't see all of your calculations) is that in order to relate the 4-dimensional curvatures to the 3-dimensional curvatures, terms with the extrinsic curvature of the submanifold will begin to appear.

For example, see the relations of Gauss and Codacci (one of which basically tell you that the 4-dim Riemann tensor restricted to the hypersurface is equal to the 3-dim Riemann tensor plus some extrinsic curvature terms). You don't want to calculate the 4-dimensional Ricci tensor and try to just naively restrict it to the 3-surface and assume that you have arrived at the 3-dimensional Ricci tensor. You should calculate the 3-dimensional Ricci tensor separately, using the covariant derivative defined on your hypersurface.
 
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Oh okay, but I've calculated both the 4-dimensional Ricci tensor and the 3-dimensional Ricci tensor separately. Here is my calculation:
 

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I'm going to guess, from the forms of the equations that you have to prove...that this problem would probably be a lot easier to approach from using Einstein's field equations.

I also just realized that I sort of just assumed you wanted the 3-D Ricci tensor on your hypersurface, but maybe you really do just want the 3x3 sub components of the 4-D Ricci tensor? You were not explicit in defining ##R_{ij}##
 
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