Exploring Epsilon Simultaneity: Advantages and Applications

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The discussion revolves around the generalized simultaneity criterion represented by the equation ##t = (1-\epsilon)t_1 + \epsilon t_2##, where ##\epsilon## varies between ##0## and ##1##. Participants explore the implications of this criterion for understanding the structure of the special theory of relativity, questioning its utility and relevance in various contexts, including crystallography and the synchronization of clocks on Earth.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the advantages of the generalized simultaneity criterion, suggesting that varying ##\epsilon## complicates the intuitive understanding of simultaneity and wonders if it serves a practical purpose or is merely a gimmick.
  • Another participant argues that the criterion is not helpful, asserting that its primary value lies in demonstrating that the one-way speed of light is a convention, and one could adopt a non-standard convention while remaining consistent with data.
  • A participant draws an analogy to non-orthogonal coordinate systems in crystallography, suggesting that such systems can be useful in specific contexts, like the natural directions in certain crystals.
  • One participant reflects on the synchronization of clocks on Earth, noting that they are typically synchronized in an Earth-centered frame, which may not correspond to an orthogonal relationship with their worldlines.
  • Another participant discusses the use of primitive bases in crystallography, mentioning that while they are theoretically valid, they are often overlooked in favor of canonical bases due to the complexity of calculations.
  • A participant highlights the analogy of Earth's rotation affecting global simultaneity, suggesting that Einstein-synchronized clocks may not be perfectly synchronized across different locations due to the helical nature of their worldlines.
  • One participant visualizes the helical worldlines of clocks on the equator, explaining that the congruence forms a cylindrical worldsheet, where the planes orthogonal to the worldlines are consistently slanted, complicating the notion of simultaneity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the utility of the generalized simultaneity criterion, with some finding it unhelpful and others proposing that it has specific applications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding its overall value and implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various assumptions about the synchronization of clocks and the implications of non-orthogonal coordinate systems, but these assumptions are not fully explored or resolved within the discussion.

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What is the advantage of considering the generalised simultaneity criterion ##t = (1-\epsilon)t_1 + \epsilon t_2## for ##\epsilon## between ##0## and ##1##? How does varying the parameter ##\epsilon## help to elucidate the structure of the special theory? I think the surfaces of simultaneity are no longer so intuitive. I wondered whether this is helpful to solve some problems or just a gimmick.
 
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I would say that it is not helpful, at least I have never seen a place where it is helpful. It's only value is that it establishes that the one-way speed of light is a convention and that you can (if you are a masochist) adopt a convention where the one-way speed of light is not c and still be consistent with the data.
 
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It's analogous to adopting a coordinate system in Euclidean space where one of the axes isn't perpendicular to the others. That can be useful in crystallography, I seem to recall, because the natural directions in some crystals are non-orthogonal.

One thought - didn't we discuss recently that clocks on the surface of the Earth are usually synchronised in the Earth-centered frame, but their worldlines are not orthogonal to that? So (locally) we're all using an ##\epsilon## that isn't quite 0.5?
 
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I was just revising this today! Body-centred lattices have a primitive basis ##\{ \frac{a}{2}(\hat{\mathbf{y}} + \hat{\mathbf{z}} - \hat{\mathbf{x}}), \frac{a}{2}(\hat{\mathbf{z}} + \hat{\mathbf{x}} - \hat{\mathbf{y}}), \frac{a}{2}(\hat{\mathbf{x}} + \hat{\mathbf{y}} - \hat{\mathbf{z}})\}## whilst face-centred lattices have a primitive basis ##\{\frac{a}{2}(\hat{\mathbf{y}} + \hat{\mathbf{z}}), \frac{a}{2}(\hat{\mathbf{z}} + \hat{\mathbf{x}}), \frac{a}{2}(\hat{\mathbf{x}} + \hat{\mathbf{y}}) \}##. But we hardly ever used these in favour of the canonical basis. The silver lining for the primitive basis is that the Weiß zone law ##hU + kV + lW = 0## holds in any crystallographic system, but apart from that you are just stuck with annoying calculations with the metric
 
You doubtless know more crystallography than I remember... I was just thinking of it as a physical circumstance where we might reasonably choose to use non-orthogonal coordinates. The Earth's rotation forces a vaguely analogous circumstance where the only sensible global simultaneity criterion is not orthogonal to the helical worldlines of clocks at rest on the surface. So Einstein-synchronised clocks on the east and west sides of a lab aren't quite synchronised per GMT, I think.
 
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The easy way to see it is to imagine the set of helical worldlines of clocks on the equator. The congruence forms a cylindrical worldsheet. Except in the special case of zero rotation the planes orthogonal to the worldlines are all "slanted" in the same sense as you go around the cylinder. You can't have a closed loop without slanting the loop in the opposite sense in at least one place.
 
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