Exponential Equations: Solve for x with Step-by-Step Solutions

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The discussion revolves around solving exponential equations, specifically focusing on two problems involving powers of 3. The first equation is 3^{3x} + 3^{3x+2} = 30, and the second is 3^{2x} - 12(3^{x}) + 27 = 0. Participants are exploring methods to manipulate these equations to find the variable x.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss rewriting the equations in terms of a single variable, such as letting y = 3^{3x}. There are attempts to isolate terms and apply logarithmic properties. Some express confusion over specific steps in the manipulation of the equations, particularly in factoring and recognizing quadratic forms.

Discussion Status

The conversation is active, with participants providing hints and clarifications. Some have made progress in understanding the first equation, while others are still grappling with the second. There is acknowledgment of different approaches, including the potential to solve without logarithms, and participants are sharing insights and corrections to their previous attempts.

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There is mention of imposed homework rules, such as the teacher not having covered logarithmic methods yet, which influences the approaches being discussed. Participants are also reflecting on their understanding of quadratic expressions in relation to the second problem.

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Homework Statement


Solve.
Q 1.) [tex]3^{3x}+3^{3x+2}=30[/tex]

Q 2.) [tex]3^{2x}-12(3^{x})+27=0[/tex]

Homework Equations



[tex](a^{n}){b}=a^{nb}[/tex]

[tex]a^{n}(a^{b})=a^{n+b}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Q 1.) [tex]3^{3x}+3^{3x+2}=3^{1}+3^{3}[/tex]

Q 2.) [tex]3^{2x}+3^{3}=12(3^{x})[/tex]
[tex]3^{2x}+3^{3}=(3^{1}+3^{2})(3^{x})[/tex]
[tex]3^{2x}+3^{3}=3{1+x}+3^{2+x}[/tex]
 
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JBD2 said:
Q 1.) [tex]3^{3x}+3^{3x+2}=3^{1}+3^{3}[/tex]
Don't see how that helps. Solve for 3^(3x) first. Then use logarithms to find x.

Q 2.) [tex]3^{2x}+3^{3}=12(3^{x})[/tex]
[tex]3^{2x}+3^{3}=(3^{1}+3^{2})(3^{x})[/tex]
[tex]3^{2x}+3^{3}=3{1+x}+3^{2+x}[/tex]
Same technique as above. This time since it's a quadratic expression you have solve for 3^x using the quadratic formula. Then apply logs again.
 
Ignore on Question 2 my last proof of work, it's wrong, its supposed to be:

[tex]3^{2x}+3^{3}=3^{1+x}+3^{2+x}[/tex]

And I would use logs but this question can supposedly be done without logs (the teacher hasn't shown us how to do them yet).
 
Hint

Q1. Let [tex]y = 3^{3x}[/tex]. Can you write equation in terms of y?
 
Alrighty.

1. You can use the rule that states that ab * an = ab+n
33x + 33x+2=30
33x + 33x*32=30
Now you can isolate the 33x on the left hand side:
33x (1 + 9) = 30
33x=31
3x=1
x=1/3

Sorry, I'm not too sure about #2 yet. I'll keep trying it and I'll keep you posted if my mind comes up with something. :)
 
Melawrghk said:
Alrighty.

1. You can use the rule that states that ab * an = ab+n
33x + 33x+2=30
33x + 33x*32=30
Now you can isolate the 33x on the left hand side:
33x (1 + 9) = 30
33x=31
3x=1
x=1/3

How did you go to this:
33x (1 + 9) = 30

I don't get how that works, can you explain it?
 
snipez90 said:
Hint

Q1. Let [tex]y = 3^{3x}[/tex]. Can you write equation in terms of y?

So you mean I'd have like [tex]3^{6x}(3^{2})=30[/tex]?

EDIT: Nevermind I understand how you did it now, Same with my previous post I understand it, I'll work on the other question. Thanks.

By the way, Defennder, how did you know it was a quadratic expression?
 
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JBD2 said:
How did you go to this:
33x (1 + 9) = 30

I don't get how that works, can you explain it?

Yeah, of course.

33x+33x*32=30
You see how both terms on the left have 33x in them, right? So you can factor out that part. That will leave you 1 instead of the first term, and 32 instead of the second.
33x*(1+32)=30
32 is 9... Does that help at all?
 
Ya that makes sense, thanks. I just can't find any like terms in the second question now.
 
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Ok I figured out the last question, and why it was in a quadratic, sorry for all the posts. Here's my solution:

[tex]3^{2x}-12(3^{x})+27=0[/tex]
Like mentioned earlier, a quadratic:
[tex]x^{2}-12x+27[/tex]
[tex](x-9)(x-3)=0[/tex]
[tex](3^{x}-3^{2})(3^{x}-3^{1})[/tex]
x=2, x=1
 

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