Extra Dimensions: Real or Mathematical Constructs?

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The discussion centers on the nature of extra dimensions, specifically the concept of 4-dimensional spacetime as proposed in physics. Participants argue that while 4D models may appear as mathematical constructs, they are essential for accurately describing physical phenomena. The flatland analogy illustrates how lower-dimensional beings perceive higher-dimensional objects, suggesting that our understanding of dimensions may be limited by our own spatial experiences. Ultimately, the consensus leans towards the view that 4D spacetime is a necessary framework for understanding the universe, rather than merely a mathematical abstraction.

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When physicists talk about 4+ dimensional space are these real spatial/temporal/something dimensions or just mathematical constructs that are the only known way to accurately describe the observed behavior?

Take the flatland example... We live on a 2D Plane and see a 3D Object (say a sphere) descend through our plane and leave a weird pulsating circle that appears and disappears all over the place.

The flatlanders can easily come up with a 3D model that describes the behavior, but how do they know it's not just some really complex 2D behavior they don't understand?
 
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In your flatland example, yeah, I guess you could either say its a 3d object or a 2d object that changes with time. Both explanations seem consistent to me.
I guess that it is more likely to be a 3d object because the 3d object would be simpler, since it doesn't change with time.
Maybe a similar explanation gives a reason for why we think we live in a world with more than just 2 dimensions.
 
The 4D model of spacetime is not just a construct. If one were to give exact coordinates of an event, one would need 4 coordinates, 3 for space and 1 for time (x,y,z,t or \theta, \phi, \rho, t, or any other coordinate system).

From what I understand, even though one might be able to model a 3D object in terms of its projection, it is FAR easier to model it in 3D. And I would guess that often times the projection does not give all the information about whatever is being projected.
 

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