Extract Ethanol from Aqueous Solution: Homemade Method

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This discussion focuses on the challenges of extracting ethanol from an aqueous solution containing acetone using homemade methods. It highlights that while simple or fractional distillation is effective in laboratory settings, homemade techniques, such as boiling the solution in saturated salt water or using a makeshift distillation setup, are not viable due to the azeotropic nature of the acetone-ethanol mixture. The boiling points of ethanol (78°C) and acetone (56°C) complicate the separation process, making it impossible to completely remove acetone through distillation. Legal alternatives for obtaining ethanol, such as brewing wine or purchasing high-proof alcohol like Everclear, are also mentioned.

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This discussion is beneficial for amateur chemists, home brewers, and individuals interested in understanding the complexities of ethanol extraction and the legal aspects of alcohol production.

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Homemade Extraction

Suppose I have an aqueous solution of acetone and ethanol.

>While a simple or fractional distillation will do the job in a lab,
Are there any "homemade" methods (i.e., using materials generally found in a home,
non-laboratory setting) that can be used to extract ethanol from such a solution?

Would boiling the solution in salt water (i.e, saturated with NaCl) allow me to extract the ethanol?
(i.e., via SN2 substitution by chloride anion on carbonyl carbon, producing sodium 2-chloro-2-propanoxide, which can be later removed (as precipitate after cooling or via 'homemade' distillation*). I do not think this will work, though I have not tried this...)
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*Homemade distillation:
-Pour the solution (to be distilled) into a large bowl, and place a small cup in the center.
-Loosely cover the large bowl with plastic wrap, and place a few ice cubes in the center above the wrap
-Carefully heat (or place outside on a sunny day, if you can wait). The distillate will evaporate and condense upon the plastic wrap, trickling down towards center (where the ice cubes are weighing down the wrap, hence the "loose" covering) to drip slowly into the cup.

*While this procedure is nowhere near as precise and efficient as a lab distillation apparatus,
it can be used to separate compounds with sufficiently large differences in boiling points. Sadly, this is not the case with acetone and ethanol; hence, this thread!
 
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bomba923 said:
Suppose I have an aqueous solution of acetone and ethanol.

>While a simple or fractional distillation will do the job in a lab,
Are there any "homemade" methods (i.e., using materials generally found in a home,
non-laboratory setting) that can be used to extract ethanol from such a solution?

Would boiling the solution in salt water (i.e, saturated with NaCl) allow me to extract the ethanol?
Yes, it would be 'extracted' into the atmosphere.
(i.e., via SN2 substitution by chloride anion on carbonyl carbon, producing sodium 2-chloro-2-propanoxide, which can be later removed (as precipitate after cooling or via 'homemade' distillation*). I do not think this will work, though I have not tried this...)
Don't bother. Salt doesn't do that.
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*Homemade distillation:
-Pour the solution (to be distilled) into a large bowl, and place a small cup in the center.
-Loosely cover the large bowl with plastic wrap, and place a few ice cubes in the center above the wrap
-Carefully heat (or place outside on a sunny day, if you can wait). The distillate will evaporate and condense upon the plastic wrap, trickling down towards center (where the ice cubes are weighing down the wrap, hence the "loose" covering) to drip slowly into the cup.

*While this procedure is nowhere near as precise and efficient as a lab distillation apparatus,
it can be used to separate compounds with sufficiently large differences in boiling points. Sadly, this is not the case with acetone and ethanol; hence, this thread!

Acetone is added to ethanol as a denaturant to keep people from consuming it (without taxation, that is). It is very difficult to remove it without specialized apparatus (specialized = illegal for home use). The boiling point of ethanol is 78C and acetone is 56C. Acetone and water form an azeotrope at 56C and consists of 88% acetone and 12% water. Acetone and pentane form an azeotrope at 33C consisting of 80% pentane and 20% acetone. I'm not sure about the ternaries.
 
If you are not sure, the practical definition of a positive azeotrope (what chemistree listed above) is that you cannot distill a mixture beyond its azeotrope - you can never get rid of all the acetone in an acetone/ethanol mixture by distillation, for example.

If you want alcohol, it is completely legal to brew wine or beer. In the US the regulations limit production to 600 gallons per year for personal use. I guess the people who promulgate ATF regulations are BIG drinkers... ~2 gallons of wine per day? Whoa.

In the US, you can also buy 95.4% alcohol (azeotrope for water and ethanol) from the store if you are over the legal drinking age and your state is not a crazy-quilt of ABC regulations - it is sold under various brand names like 'Everclear' and is labelled 190 proof.

In the lab, 95% ethanol is a common solvent. It is also coveted by sneaky graduate students. We used Phenolphthalein, a pH indicator and a strong laxative, mixed into our 95% as a sneaky graduate student indicator. Works real well. Has long-lasting deterrent effects, too.
 

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