Extraordinary claims who said that?

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The discussion revolves around the attribution of the phrase "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence," exploring its origins and the various figures associated with it, including Carl Sagan, Marcello Truzzi, Pierre-Simon Laplace, and David Hume. The scope includes historical context and philosophical implications related to skepticism and evidence in scientific discourse.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that Carl Sagan popularized the phrase but questions whether he was the original source.
  • Another participant cites Laplace's quote regarding the weight of evidence and its relation to extraordinary claims.
  • A different participant claims that Marcello Truzzi is credited with the phrase, noting that it was a rewording of Laplace's statement and possibly influenced by David Hume's writings.
  • One participant references Dirac's reluctance to accept his own theory until evidence was found, illustrating the importance of evidence in scientific claims.
  • Another participant mentions Hume's skepticism regarding divine miracles as a precursor to the discussion on extraordinary claims.

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Participants express differing views on the origins of the phrase, with no consensus reached on who originally coined it. Multiple competing views remain regarding the contributions of Sagan, Truzzi, Laplace, and Hume.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of attributing phrases and ideas across historical contexts, with references to various philosophical positions and the evolution of skepticism in scientific discourse.

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"Extraordinary claims..." who said that?

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

Obviously, Carl popularized it, but is he the one who coined it?

I just read in my book "Escape from Hell"*, that it was Descartes who first said this. True?

*(Carl is in Dante's Eighth Circle of Hell (along with Diviners and Fortune Tellers) for being a false prophet. He started teaching science but then it got way from him and he started making predictions about Earth's demise in a Great Ice Age).
 
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Laplace: “The weight of evidence for an extraordinary claim must be proportioned to its strangeness.”
 


To the best of my knowledge, it was Marcello Truzzi. Founder of CSICOP, left on a bad note and coined the term "pseudo-skepticism". He definitely said it before Sagan.

WIKIPEDIA said:
Truzzi is credited with originating the oft-used phrase "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof," which Carl Sagan then popularized as "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."[15] However, this is a rewording of a quote by Laplace which goes, "The weight of evidence for an extraordinary claim must be proportioned to its strangeness."[16] This, in turn, may have been based on the statement "A wise man, therefore, proportions his belief to the evidence" by David Hume.[15]

So I guess it wasn't Truzzi.
 


D H said:
Laplace: “The weight of evidence for an extraordinary claim must be proportioned to its strangeness.”

If you consider Dirac's equation of his "sea", his own reluctance to accept the theory until positrons were more than definitely detected would be a fine example of this in real science. In a time when theory is the forerunner of experimentation (often), this is even more critical than at any time in history.
 


David Hume at least had a variation of it when he wrote about his skepticism towards the possibility of divine miracles.
 

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