F=MA 2012 Exam #19: Find Pipe Radius

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The problem involves a motor pumping water through a cylindrical pipe, focusing on calculating the pipe's radius given specific parameters such as power, height, and water speed. The context is rooted in fluid dynamics and energy conservation principles.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between power, energy, and mass flow rate, questioning how to incorporate the motor's power into the equations. Some suggest using Bernoulli's equation and the work-energy principle, while others discuss the implications of assuming negligible velocity.

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The discussion is active, with various approaches being proposed. Some participants have identified errors in their calculations and are seeking clarification on assumptions made during the problem-solving process. There is no explicit consensus, but multiple interpretations and methods are being explored.

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Participants are grappling with the assumptions regarding the velocity of water and its impact on the calculations. There is also a focus on how to effectively use the given power in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


19. A 1,500 Watt motor is used to pump water a vertical height of 2.0 meters out of a flooded basement through a
cylindrical pipe. The water is ejected though the end of the pipe at a speed of 2.5 m/s. Ignoring friction and
assuming that all of the energy of the motor goes to the water, which of the following is the closest to the radius
of the pipe? The density of water is ρ = 1000 kg/m3
.
(A) 1/3 cm
(B) 1 cm
(C) 3 cm
(D) 10 cm ← CORRECT
(E) 30 cm


Homework Equations


Pressure = ρgh
Bernoulli's Eq: p + ρgh + 1/2ρv^2 = Constant
Power = F dot v, Power = Work / t = dW/dT
Flow Rate Continuity:
A_0v_0 = Av

The Attempt at a Solution


First, I said that:
A_0v_0 = pir^2*2.5
Thus, v_0 = pir^2*2.5 / A_0
Then, I used Bernoulli's Eq, but I'm confused as to how I make use of the power? I need some guidance on how to use the power in the problem or how to turn one of these equations into
one I can handle.
 
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How much energy does it take to lift a mass through a given height?
What is the expression that tells you the mass of water that is ejected through the pipe each second?
 
It takes mgh to lift an object height h. Are you talking about the mass flow rate equation:
That's m/t which is equal to (rho)Av.
Here's an approach:
W = PE + KE
W = mgh + 1/2mv^2
W/t = Power =m/t(gh + 1/2v^2)
1500 = pAv(gh+ 1/2v^2)
A = pi*r^2
1500 = r^2(pi)(rho)v(gh), since the velocity of the basement is negligible ( I would think )
r = sqrt (1500 /(pi*rho*v*gh)
so r = .099 m = 9.9 cm so
10cm -- This is the correct answer.
 
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assuming that the v is almost negligible
How good is that assumption?
1500 = r^2(pi)(rho)gh
[color-red]r = sqrt( 1500 / ((pi)(rho)gh))[/color]
r = .49m = 49 cm? - This is wrong
What happened to the KE term?
 
Yep, I saw that error in the radius and fixed it. How can we do the problem without assuming v is negligible?
 
what happens to the step you made the assumption if you don't?
i.e. what problem did the assumption solve exactly?

Try writing down the rate mass flows through the pipe as ##\frac{dm}{dt}## and then ##P=\frac{dE}{dt}## ... remembering that we are told that only mass changes with time.
 
so:
dE/dt = dm/dt(gh + 1/2v^2)
if power is constant, does that suggest that
gh + 1/2v^2 = 0,
or that v= root(2gh)?
No I don't think I see how to use that.
 
Here's a thought that disregards the velocity:
Power = Fv
F in this case is the gravitational force,mg because that is what must be overcome to pump the water at a height of 2m
v is given as 2.5 m/s - that is the speed of pumping.
Thus:
P = mgv
m = ρV
P = ρVgv
V = h*A, where A is cross-sectional area
P = ρhAgv
A =∏r^2, sorry I can't find the little pi
P = r^2ρ∏hgv
r = √(P / ρ∏hgv)
All these are given
r ≈ 10 cm
 
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Can you assume the speed of the water is constant?
 

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