Factors of interaction between atoms

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The discussion revolves around the factors that determine the strength of interactions between atoms, considering scenarios where atoms may or may not be part of larger molecules. Participants explore various aspects of atomic interactions, including theoretical and practical implications.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the difference in electronegativity between two atoms generally correlates with the strength of their bond.
  • Others emphasize the complexity of the topic, noting that there are many exceptions, particularly with transition metals.
  • Factors proposed as relevant include electronegativity, orbital completion and the octet rule, acid/base interactions, symmetry, and redox potential.
  • Distance between atoms is mentioned as a critical factor, with typical bond lengths being in the nanometer range, and the importance of diffusion in reactions.
  • Some participants question the relevance of nearby atoms, suggesting that they usually do not affect atomic interactions, except in specific cases involving enzymes and catalysts.
  • A participant expresses frustration over the vagueness of the original question, indicating that the topic encompasses a broad range of physical chemistry concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the factors influencing atomic interactions, with multiple competing views presented regarding the relevance of various factors and the complexity of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that there are many exceptions to general rules, particularly concerning transition metals, and that the scope of the question is broad, potentially requiring extensive study in physical chemistry.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying physical chemistry, computational chemistry, or anyone exploring atomic interactions in a theoretical or practical context.

mather
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hello!

I want to know which factors determine the strength of interactions between two atoms (which both or one or none can be a part of a bigger molecule)

thanks
 
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this gets very complicated very fast. It is not a simple problem at all. But in general the greater the difference of electronegativity between 2 atoms, the stronger their bond will be.
 
what is complicated about it?
I just need a complete list of all the factors, not explanation of each one
 
because there's a lot of exceptions especially for transition metals.

but in general these are useful:

electronegativity
orbital completion and octet rule
acid/base
symmetry
redox potential
 
distance?
other atoms near?
 
distance: they have to be pretty close. typical bond lengths are nanometers and there's no way that something on one side of the room can "immediately" react with something on the other side. what happens is that one thing is a "source" of reactant molecules/atoms and it diffuses to the other reactants. but usually we don't care about distance because in a chemical plant in New Orleans we don't care what's going on in Seattle; anything that's relevant to the reaction is already there and can be accounted for with diffusion and convection.

other atoms nearby: usually doesn't matter except for 2 things: enzymes and catalysts, but neither are atoms.
 
chill_factor said:
because there's a lot of exceptions especially for transition metals.

but in general these are useful:

electronegativity
orbital completion and octet rule
acid/base
symmetry
redox potential

acid/base isn't a matter of electronegativity?
redox potential isn't a matter of electronegativity?

chill_factor said:
other atoms nearby: usually doesn't matter except for 2 things: enzymes and catalysts, but neither are atoms.

in any large organic molecule, nearby atoms don't affect the atoms and thus their interaction between them?
 
anyone?
 
mather said:
anyone?

What are you actually asking here? Your question is so vague that it's impossible to answer. "Factors of interaction between atoms" is basically a huge portion of physical chemistry and the entirely of computational/quantum chemistry depending on what level of detail you want. Unless you clarify what you're asking the only proper answer is "Take four years of undergraduate chemistry followed by a PhD in physical chemistry".
 

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