Faith of Quantum Entanglement once it enters two different black holes

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The discussion explores the implications of quantum entanglement when two entangled particles enter separate black holes. Participants consider whether the entanglement persists, how it might affect the black holes, and the relationship between the black holes after absorbing the particles. The conversation touches on theoretical concepts, speculative scenarios, and references to existing literature.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether entangled photons would emerge from black holes after the entangled particles enter, or if the black holes would retain the entanglement until they evaporate.
  • Another participant asserts that particles do not survive encounters with black holes, prompting a clarification about the nature of entanglement rather than particle survival.
  • A different participant challenges the relevance of discussing entanglement if the particles cease to exist upon entering the black holes.
  • Some participants reference Leonard Susskind's writings, suggesting that black holes absorbing entangled particles would themselves become entangled.
  • One participant mentions an older theory related to the second law of thermodynamics and information loss, indicating that this model is not widely accepted.
  • Another participant expresses curiosity about the states in which the black holes would be entangled.
  • One participant introduces the concept of ER=EPR, suggesting that entangled black holes might be connected through a wormhole, referencing a specific paper on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of entanglement in the context of black holes, with no consensus reached on whether the entanglement persists or how it affects the black holes. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on interpretations of quantum mechanics and general relativity, and there are unresolved questions regarding the fate of entanglement and the nature of black holes. The discussion references theoretical models that may not be widely accepted.

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If I observe two particles that are entangled enter two different black holes and wait, will there eventually be 2 entangled photons radiating out of the black holes or do the black holes take possession of the entanglement as the 2 particles enter their respective black holes and said black holes stay entangled until one of them or both have totally evaporated regardless of what happened to the original "owners" of the entangled state?

If the Black holes are entangled because of the original particles, what happens if one is bigger than the other? How can one of them evaporate quicker than the other one if they are entangled? Or perhaps, would the bigger one evaporate faster in order to "die" exactly at the same time as its entangled smaller black hole? But then if one entered a supermassive black hole and the other a micro black hole with perhaps a trillion years difference in life expectency this would not make much sense...

I could also be very wrong by believing that 2 entangled black holes behave like 2 entangled particles (the entanglement). Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions.

Lancaster.
 
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There is no reason to think particles survive an encounter with a black hole
 
I am not talking about the particles "surviving", I am talking about the entanglement of these two entangled particles entering the black holes. " the connection" between the two black holes.
 
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What is the point of contemplating entanglement between particles that cease to exist?
 
lancaster said:
I am not talking about the particles "surviving", I am talking about the entanglement of these two entangled particles entering the black holes. " the connection" between the two black holes.

Why would the 2 black holes be "connected" just because they absorbed two entangled particles?
 
Well from the writtings of Leonard Susskind, 2 black holes that would each absorb 1 of 2 particle entangled the black holes would then be entangled. Since I have no access to Susskind I tought I'd get an answer here.
 
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actually there was an old theory of this with regards to the second law of thermodynamics. LOL not sure why I still had it in my collection of articles.

see equation 12
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1003/1003.1579.pdf

this article goes into some details as well

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1003/1003.2431.pdf

However as far I know this model isn't particularly accepted, it was one of the older ideas related to information loss and entropy if I recall the details correctly

This article goes into a bit abut the Black hole wars including Susskind's view points, which is different than the articles I posted

http://arxiv.org/ftp/astro-ph/papers/0412/0412101.pdf
 
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Thank you Mordred I'll get to reading it now. Perhaps it will enlighten me.
 
lol good luck with that it didn't particularly enlighten me, the whole subject of the black hole wars to me made me felt like I was being sucked into one
 
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lancaster said:
Well from the writtings of Leonard Susskind, 2 black holes that would each absorb 1 of 2 particle entangled the black holes would then be entangled. Since I have no access to Susskind I tought I'd get an answer here.

Hmmm... I wonder what states the black holes would be entangled in?
 
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Hello guys I found some amazing information regarding my questions, here for you to have a look at it :

ER=EPR ( very annoying audience )


http://arxiv.org/abs/1306.0533

"General relativity contains solutions in which two distant black holes are connected through the interior via a wormhole, or Einstein-Rosen bridge. These solutions can be interpreted as maximally entangled states of two black holes that form a complex EPR pair. We suggest that similar bridges might be present for more general entangled states.
In the case of entangled black holes one can formulate versions of the AMPS(S) paradoxes and resolve them. This suggests possible resolutions of the firewall paradoxes for more general situations."
 
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