Fermat's Principle with Calculus of Variations

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This discussion revolves around a problem from Taylor’s Classical Mechanics concerning Fermat's principle and its implications in the context of the calculus of variations. The problem involves analyzing the path of a ray of light reflecting off a plane mirror and demonstrating that the reflection point lies in the same vertical plane as the initial and final points, adhering to the law of reflection.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss setting up the problem using the calculus of variations and minimizing the optical path. There are attempts to derive relationships between the angles and distances involved in the reflection process. Some participants express uncertainty about their mathematical approach and the implications of their assumptions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing their progress and challenges. Some guidance has been offered regarding the minimization process and the simplification of variables. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the algebra involved, and participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the constraints of the problem, including the requirement to avoid certain methods like Euler's equations and the need to work within the framework of established principles. There is also mention of potential confusion arising from the mathematical setup and assumptions made during the problem-solving process.

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Homework Statement


This is problem 6.3 in Taylor’s Classical Mechanics. It is in context of the calculus of variations.
Consider a ray of light traveling in a vacuum from point P1to P2 by way of the point Q on a plane mirror, as in Figure 6.8. Show that Fermat's principle implies that, on the actual path followed, Q lies in the same vertical plane as P 1and P2 and obeys the law of reflection, that 0 1= 02. [Hints: Let the mirror lie in the xz plane, and let P 1lie on the y-axis at (0, yi, 0) and P2 in the xy plane at (x2, y2, 0). Finally let Q = (x, 0, z). Calculate the time for the light to traverse the path P1QP2 and show that it is minimum when Q has z = 0 and satisfies the law of reflection.]

Homework Equations


##\frac { \partial f }{ \partial x } =\frac { d }{ dt } \frac { \partial f }{ \partial x\prime } ## This would be reiterated for y and z.

The Attempt at a Solution


##S=\frac { 1 }{ c } \int _{ t_{ 1 } }^{ t_{ 2 } }{ \sqrt { x\prime ^{ 2 }+y\prime ^{ 2 }+z\prime ^{ 2 } } dt } \quad \therefore \quad f=\sqrt { x\prime ^{ 2 }+y\prime ^{ 2 }+z\prime ^{ 2 } } ##

Since, ##\frac{ \partial f }{ \partial x } =0##, then ##\frac { \partial f }{ \partial x\prime}=Const.##

That means ##\frac { \partial f }{ \partial y\prime}=Const.## and ##\frac { \partial f }{ \partial z\prime}=Const.## is true too.
Subbing in f yields: ##Const.=\frac { 2 }{ c } \frac { x\prime }{ \sqrt { x\prime ^{ 2 }+y\prime ^{ 2 }+z\prime ^{ 2 } } } ##
for y: ##Const.=\frac { 2 }{ c } \frac { y\prime }{ \sqrt { x\prime ^{ 2 }+y\prime ^{ 2 }+z\prime ^{ 2 } } } ##
and for z: ##Const.=\frac { 2 }{ c } \frac { z\prime }{ \sqrt { x\prime ^{ 2 }+y\prime ^{ 2 }+z\prime ^{ 2 } } } ##

These can be divided to eliminate f, yielding a system of linear equations.
For x and y: ##x-0={ k }_{ xy }^{ 1 }(0-y_{ 1 })\quad and\quad x_{ 2 }-x={ k }_{ xy }^{ 2 }(y_{ 2 }-0)##

For x and z: ##x-0={ k }_{ xz }^{ 1 }(z-0)\quad and\quad x_{ 2 }-x={ k }_{ xz }^{ 2 }(0-z)##

For y and z: ##0-y_{ 1 }={ k }_{ yz }^{ 1 }(z-0)\quad and\quad y_{ 2 }-0={ k }_{ yz }^{ 2 }(0-z)##

I am having trouble finding a way to prove the law of reflection with system of equations. For I think I know that ##{ k }_{ xy }^{ 1 }=-{ k }_{ xy }^{ 2 }##, but assuming that would be circular reasoning.

I am going to look at eliminating variables. I do expect ##{ k }_{ xz }=0\quad and\quad { k }_{ yz }=0##, but I am not sure I have enough info for that assumption. I am going to go back to looking at it to see if I am indeed stuck. Have I done ok so far?
Thanks,
Chris
 
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You know already that the variational principle gives straight lines when traveling through the vacuum. Assume a reflection point and minimize the optical path (locally) wrt the reflection point.
 
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I have everything set up now, but I am in personally uncharted waters mathematically speaking. I am not sure how to post my drawings and rational. I did show a friend using Open Sankoré and Skype. However, I think it was over his head.

There is the possibility I am overthinking this.

Chris
 
Ok, I see that I am not supposed to solve this with Euler, but assume what has already proven. That is were dealing with straight lines here. The pythagorean theory applies, so: ##L=\sqrt { x^{ 2 }+{ y }^{ 2 }_{ 1 }+z^{ 2 } } +\sqrt { (x_{ 2 }-x)^{ 2 }+{ y }^{ 2 }_{ 2 }+z^{ 2 } } ## for the total length of the light path.

I set the first partial (##L_x=0## and ## L_z=0##) to zero. This gives me to equations with two unknows. Theoretically I should be able to find a reflection point Q from these two equations that give me the shortest path. Does this sound fine? I have crunched through all of the math and it is a mess, and still no proof yet. I wanted to double check to make sure I am going after it correctly then recheck my algebra.

Thanks,
Chris
 
Yes. This is the approach that is suggested. Note that the minimization in the z-direction is quite simple and you hardly need the derivative to see that it occurs for z=0.
 
Ok, I have proven z=0. However taking the partial derivative of wrt x of L up there, yields: ##\newcommand{\Bold}[1]{\mathbf{#1}}\left( x, x_{2}, y_{1}, y_{2}, z \right) \ {\mapsto} \ \frac{x - x_{2}}{\sqrt{{\left(x - x_{2}\right)}^{2} + y_{2}^{2} + z^{2}}} + \frac{x}{\sqrt{x^{2} + y_{1}^{2} + z^{2}}}## I have played with this for quite a while, but the simple ratio solution that I expect when ##\theta _1=\theta _2## eludes me.

Chris
 
Well, start by putting z=0 just to get rid of it. Then equate the entire derivative to zero for the minimization. How are the angles related to x, x2, y1, and y2?

Edit: Hint: since z=0 everything is 2 dimensional now - try drawing the situation on a paper if you have problems.
 
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Orodruin said:
Well, start by putting z=0 just to get rid of it. Then equate the entire derivative to zero for the minimization. How are the angles related to x, x2, y1, and y2?

Yes, the z is set z=0.

Orodruin said:
Edit: Hint: since z=0 everything is 2 dimensional now - try drawing the situation on a paper if you have problems.

I expected the equation to simplify to x/y1=(x2-x)/y2 since it should be a simple ratio between the opposite and adjacent sides (that is if the incoming and outgoing theta are equal). However, when I set the above partial (wrt x) to zero, I get some nasty algebra that I was not able to solve by hand. Wolfram alpha has 4th degree polynomials under a radical for the relationship. If I don't solve it, and merely do an implicit plot in sage, I see plots of two different equations. Something is wrong.

Thanks,
Chris
 
Duh, I see it now. I used the tangent to construct a ratio equation, but had I been more careful at observing my derivative wrt x, I would have seen it is a ratio equation with the cosines instead. The denominator is the hypotenuse of either side, and the x and the x2-x is the adjacent. Setting those equal to ##cos \theta## is now have the identity ##\theta _1=\theta _2##.

FINALLY QED!

Thanks,
Chris
 

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