Field Theory - Algebrais Extensions - D&F - Section 13.2 - Exercise 4, page 530

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the degree of field extensions over \(\mathbb{Q}\) for the expressions \(2 + \sqrt{3}\) and \(1 + \sqrt[3]{2} + \sqrt[3]{2}\). Participants explore the irreducibility of polynomials associated with these expressions and the implications for the degree of the extensions.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes starting with \(u = 2 + \sqrt{3}\) and derives the polynomial \(x^2 - 4x + 1\) to argue that it is irreducible over \(\mathbb{Q}\).
  • Another participant agrees with the approach but emphasizes that \(\mathbb{Q}[x]/(p(x))\) is isomorphic to \(\mathbb{Q}(u)\) rather than equal, suggesting that the degree of the extension can be concluded from the degree of the polynomial.
  • There is a suggestion to show that \(\mathbb{Q(2 + \sqrt{3}) = \mathbb{Q(\sqrt{3})}\) as an alternative approach.
  • One participant references Theorem 4 from Dummit and Foote to support their argument about the degree of the extension being 2.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the irreducibility of the polynomial \(x^2 - 4x + 1\) and the degree of the extension being 2 for \(2 + \sqrt{3}\). However, there is some contention regarding the relationship between \(\mathbb{Q}[x]/(p(x))\) and \(\mathbb{Q}(u)\), as well as the approach to the second expression \(1 + \sqrt[3]{2} + \sqrt[3]{2}\), which remains unaddressed.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the degree of the extension for \(1 + \sqrt[3]{2} + \sqrt[3]{2}\) and lacks clarity on the irreducibility of the polynomial associated with this expression.

Math Amateur
Gold Member
MHB
Messages
3,920
Reaction score
48
Can someone help me get started on the following problem.

Determine the degree over \mathbb{Q} of \ 2 + \sqrt{3} and of 1 + \sqrt[3]{2} + \sqrt[3]{2}

Peter

[This has also been posted on MHF]
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Let's try a naive approach:

Let $u = 2 + \sqrt{3}$. Then $(u - 2)^2 = 3$, so:

$(u - 2)^2 - 3 = 0$.

Multiplying this out, we get:

$u^2 - 4u + 1 = 0$, that is, $u$ is a root of the quadratic polynomial:

$x^2 - 4x + 1$.

If one is willing to accept that $u \not\in \Bbb Q$, this of course means that:

$x^2 - 4x + 1$ is irreducible over $\Bbb Q$. Can you continue?
 
Deveno said:
Let's try a naive approach:

Let $u = 2 + \sqrt{3}$. Then $(u - 2)^2 = 3$, so:

$(u - 2)^2 - 3 = 0$.

Multiplying this out, we get:

$u^2 - 4u + 1 = 0$, that is, $u$ is a root of the quadratic polynomial:

$x^2 - 4x + 1$.

If one is willing to accept that $u \not\in \Bbb Q$, this of course means that:

$x^2 - 4x + 1$ is irreducible over $\Bbb Q$. Can you continue?

Thanks Deveno. Sorry for late reply - day job intervened in things!

I followed your post and assume that all we have to do now is quote Theorem 4 of Dummit and Foote section 13.1 which states the following:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Theorem 4. Let $$ p(x) \in F[x] $$ be an irreducible polynomial of degree n over a field F and let K be the field $$ F[x]/(p(x))$$. Let $$ \theta = x mod(p(x)) \in K $$. Then the elements

$$ 1, \theta, {\theta}^2, ... ... , {\theta}^{n-1} $$

are a basis for K as a vector space over F, so the degree of the extension is n i.e.

$$ [K \ : \ F] = n $$. ... ... ... etc etc

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In our situation we have

$$ p(x) = x^2 - 4x - 2 $$ where $$ p(x) \in \mathbb{Q}[x] $$.

p(x) has a root u in $$ \mathbb{Q}[x]/(p(x)) $$.

Specifically $$ u = x \ mod(p(x)) \in K = \mathbb{Q}(2 + \sqrt{3}) $$

Then the elements 1 and u are a basis for $$ K = \mathbb{Q}(2 + \sqrt{3})$$.

Thus the degree of the extension $$ \mathbb{Q}(2 + \sqrt{3}) $$ over $$ \mathbb{Q} $$ is 2.

That is [K : F] = 2

Can someone please confirm that the above is correct?

Peter
 
More or less.

You have to realize that $\Bbb Q[x]/(p(x))$ doesn't EQUAL $\Bbb Q(u)$, but they are ISOMORPHIC.

So you need one small theorem from Linear Algebra:

Isomorphic vector spaces over a common field have the same dimension.

This is what allows us to conclude that $[\Bbb Q(u):\Bbb Q] = \text{deg}(p)$.

It may be instructive to convince yourself that an isomorphism between two extension fields of a base field $F$ that preserves the base field is an $F$-linear map (this will be helpful to you later on when you consider automorphisms of an extension field).

Another approach:

Show that: $\Bbb Q(2 + \sqrt{3}) = \Bbb Q(\sqrt{3})$.
 

Similar threads

Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
11
Views
4K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K