Discussion Overview
The discussion revolves around determining the degree of field extensions over \(\mathbb{Q}\) for the expressions \(2 + \sqrt{3}\) and \(1 + \sqrt[3]{2} + \sqrt[3]{2}\). Participants explore the irreducibility of polynomials associated with these expressions and the implications for the degree of the extensions.
Discussion Character
- Technical explanation
- Mathematical reasoning
- Debate/contested
Main Points Raised
- One participant proposes starting with \(u = 2 + \sqrt{3}\) and derives the polynomial \(x^2 - 4x + 1\) to argue that it is irreducible over \(\mathbb{Q}\).
- Another participant agrees with the approach but emphasizes that \(\mathbb{Q}[x]/(p(x))\) is isomorphic to \(\mathbb{Q}(u)\) rather than equal, suggesting that the degree of the extension can be concluded from the degree of the polynomial.
- There is a suggestion to show that \(\mathbb{Q(2 + \sqrt{3}) = \mathbb{Q(\sqrt{3})}\) as an alternative approach.
- One participant references Theorem 4 from Dummit and Foote to support their argument about the degree of the extension being 2.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants generally agree on the irreducibility of the polynomial \(x^2 - 4x + 1\) and the degree of the extension being 2 for \(2 + \sqrt{3}\). However, there is some contention regarding the relationship between \(\mathbb{Q}[x]/(p(x))\) and \(\mathbb{Q}(u)\), as well as the approach to the second expression \(1 + \sqrt[3]{2} + \sqrt[3]{2}\), which remains unaddressed.
Contextual Notes
The discussion does not resolve the degree of the extension for \(1 + \sqrt[3]{2} + \sqrt[3]{2}\) and lacks clarity on the irreducibility of the polynomial associated with this expression.