Fields permeating spacetime - aether?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of aether in relation to modern physics, particularly in the context of fields that permeate spacetime, as well as the implications of special relativity and quantum field theory. Participants explore whether electromagnetic and gravitational fields can be considered a form of aether and the nature of particle interactions as manifestations of these fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant recalls Einstein's indication that an aether was unnecessary after special relativity, but later suggests he implied an aether-like concept exists related to electromagnetic fields and photons.
  • Another participant challenges this interpretation, suggesting it stems from a misinterpretation of the analogy regarding aether.
  • A participant notes that quantum field theory supports the existence of various fields, including the Dirac field, gluon field, Higgs field, and electromagnetic field, and questions how many fields exist according to the standard model.
  • There is mention of quantum chromodynamics having a field for quarks, paralleling how electrons are excitations of the Dirac field.
  • One participant asserts that the concept of aether is unrelated to modern fields, stating that aether was a proposed medium for electromagnetic wave propagation, which does not exist in current theories.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance and existence of aether in modern physics. Some suggest that fields can be seen as a form of aether, while others firmly reject this notion, leading to an unresolved debate.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various interpretations of Einstein's work and the implications of quantum field theory, but there are limitations in the clarity of definitions and the number of fields acknowledged in the standard model.

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i recall einstein idicating that there was no longer a reason to posit an aether after special relativity was published, but later wrote a short paper indicating that there was, in effect, an aether after all. ref - http://www.aetherometry.com/Electronic_Publications/Science/einstein_aether_and_relativity.php

so, is he indicating that there is an electromagnetic field which permeates spacetime, and that photons are simply excitations of that EM field? is that the erstwhile "aether" now?

do all fields likewise permeate spacetime, such as the gravitational field, and is the graviton an excitation of the gravitational field?

how many fields are there according to the standard model, and do they all permeate spacetime?

is there anything other than fields, considering that all particles are merely illusionary manifestations of underlying fields? are all particle interactions the result of interacting fields?

thanks.
 
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jnorman said:
So, is he indicating that there is an electromagnetic field which permeates spacetime, and that photons are simply excitations of that EM field? is that the erstwhile "aether" now?

Nope. This is from misinterpreting the analogy and taking it too far, methinks.
 
according to quantum field theory, which the standard model uses, yes... there is a dirac field, a gluon field, a higgs field, em field...

i'm not sure how many different fields there are, but i think quantum chromo dynamics has a field for quarks being excitations of a field the same way electrons are excitations of the dirac field.

i remmeber reading another lecture/essay he did saying if there is an aether, but it doesn't do anything that the theory doesn't already address.
 
They have nothing to do with the aether. The aether was a proposed medium through which electromagnetic waves propagated. No such medium exists.
 

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