Find ab given its relationship to the number 432

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The discussion revolves around finding the product ab given the equation (a1/2b1/3)6 = 432, with a and b specified as positive integers. Participants explore various methods to solve the equation, including factorization and testing values.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose rewriting the equation as a3b2 = 432 to simplify the problem.
  • Others suggest finding factors of 432 to derive values for a and b, with one participant noting a solution of a = 3 and b = 2.
  • A later reply questions whether there are alternative methods to solve the problem, expressing a desire for a more complex solution.
  • Some participants highlight the importance of the condition that a and b are positive integers, noting that allowing negative values would lead to more solutions.
  • One participant mentions that if a and b could be any real numbers, there would be an infinite number of solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method of factorization but express uncertainty about whether this is the only or best approach. There is no consensus on alternative methods, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the existence of other solutions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the condition of a and b being positive integers is crucial, and the implications of allowing negative or complex values are discussed but not resolved.

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If a,b are positive integers and (a1/2b1/3)6 = 432, then what is the value of ab?
 
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fk378 said:
If a,b are positive integers and (a1/2b1/3)6 = 432, then what is the value of ab?

Is this a problem from the SAT?

First bring the 6 inside the a and b term to get a^6/2 * b^6/3 = 432
 
jedishrfu said:
Is this a problem from the SAT?

First bring the 6 inside the a and b term to get a^6/2 * b^6/3 = 432

Yes, I did that. Don't know where to go from here. Seems like I just go in circles when I try to make two equations to solve for the two unknowns.
 
Is the only way to do this just to get a3b2=432, then find the factors of 432? I tried this and then got 16*27=432, so then a=3, b=2. But I feel like there must be a different way to do this problem...
 
Hmmmm... It would be good if there was another way. It seems a bit too easy.
 
fk378 said:
Is the only way to do this just to get a3b2=432, then find the factors of 432? I tried this and then got 16*27=432, so then a=3, b=2. But I feel like there must be a different way to do this problem...

You mean b=4 :smile:

I'm not aware of another way if there is one, and I'd imagine if there were, it'd be fairly more complicated.
 
fk378 said:
If a,b are positive integers and (a1/2b1/3)6 = 432, then what is the value of ab?

We are given
##(a^{1/2} b^{1/3})^6 = 432##
So
##a^3 b^2 = a(ab)^2 = 432##
##(ab)^2 = \frac{432}{a}##
LHS is a square, so test different a.
##a = 2 \implies \frac{432}{a} = 216## not a square
##a = 3 \implies \frac{432}{a} = 144##
144 is a square, so ab = 12.
 
pwsnafu said:
We are given
##(a^{1/2} b^{1/3})^6 = 432##
So
##a^3 b^2 = a(ab)^2 = 432##
##(ab)^2 = \frac{432}{a}##
LHS is a square, so test different a.
##a = 2 \implies \frac{432}{a} = 216## not a square
##a = 3 \implies \frac{432}{a} = 144##
144 is a square, so ab = 12.

Nice!
 
Notice that the condition "a,b are positive integers" is crucial here. If a and b were allowed to be negative, there would be more solutions. If a and b were allowed to be any real numbers there would be an infinite number of solutions.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
Notice that the condition "a,b are positive integers" is crucial here. If a and b were allowed to be negative, there would be more solutions.

If a and b were allowed to be negative and we are allowed to use complex algebra, then yes.
Otherwise a1/2 is undefined.
 

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