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The discussion focuses on finding all positive integer solutions for the equation $4x^3 - 12x^2 + 5x - 10y + 36y^2 - 18y^3 + 4x^2y + 6xy - 15xy^2 = 0$. Participants explored various methods, including factoring the polynomial and analyzing coefficients. A notable approach involved recognizing the pattern with $x = 2y$ and dividing the polynomial by $(x - 2y)$, leading to a quadratic expression in $(2x + 3y)$. This method proved effective for deriving solutions systematically.

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Find all positive integer solutions of the equation $4x^3-12x^2+5x-10y+36y^2-18y^3+4x^2y+6xy-15xy^2=0$.
 
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This expression factorises to:

$$(x-2 y) (2 x+3 y-5) (2 x+3 y-1) = 0$$
Which gives us the following conditions:

$$x = 2y ~ ~ ~ ~ \text{and} ~ ~ ~ ~ 2x + 3y = 5 ~ ~ ~ ~ \text{and} ~ ~ ~ ~ 2x + 3y = 1$$
Note that since we only want positive integer solutions, the second condition yields only $(1, 1)$ and the last one clearly cannot be satisfied in $\mathbb{N}$, therefore the set of solutions $(x, y)$ over the positive integers, is in fact equal to the following:​
$$\{ (2n, n) ~ | ~ n \in \mathbb{N} \} ~ \cup ~ \{ (1, 1) \} ~ ~ = ~ ~ \{ (1, 1), \, (2, 1), \, (4, 2), \, (6, 3), \, \dots \}$$
You really have to see the factorisation, though.
 
Hi Bacterius,

Thanks for participating in this problem.

I've come up with the same product of three factors as another way to express the given equation but I'm really more interested in the method that you used to find those factors...:p
 
anemone said:
Hi Bacterius,

Thanks for participating in this problem.

I've come up with the same product of three factors as another way to express the given equation but I'm really more interested in the method that you used to find those factors...:p

I noticed the pattern with the $x = 2y$ solutions, and tried to divide the polynomial by $(x - 2y)$, and after some rearranging I got a quadratic in $(2x + 3y)$, which wasn't too hard to factor.

Without having an "insight" into the solutions, I think it would still be doable by analyzing the coefficients...​
 
Bacterius said:
I noticed the pattern with the $x = 2y$ solutions, and tried to divide the polynomial by $(x - 2y)$, and after some rearranging I got a quadratic in $(2x + 3y)$, which wasn't too hard to factor.

Without having an "insight" into the solutions, I think it would still be doable by analyzing the coefficients...​

I found this problem recently and as this is not solved to the extent of factorization I thought I can give it a try

We put the number in descreasing order of power of x

4x^3−12x^2 +4x^2y +5x+6xy−15xy^2−10y+36y^2−18y^3
Now factor the part independent of x
= 4x^3−12x^2 +4x^2y +5x+6xy−15xy^2−2y(5-18y+9y^2)
= 4x^3−12x^2 +4x^2y +5x+6xy−15xy^2−2y(3y-5)(3y-1)
Now I multiply by 2 and put 2x = z to get coefficient of x^3 as 1
= ½(8x^3−24x^2 +8x^2y +10x+12xy−30xy^2−4y(3y-5)(3y-1)
= 1/2(z^3−6z^2 +2 z^2y +5z+6zy−15zy^2−4y(3y-5)(3y-1)
= 1/2(z^3−z^2(6-2y) +z(5+6y+15y^2) −4y(3y-5)(3y-1)

Now we need to split - 4y(3y-5)(3y-1)into3 parts that the sum is 6- 2y

They are-( 3y-5),- (3y-1) , 4y ( it is easy to do so as 5 + 1 = 6

Now to check The coefficient of z is (5+6y+15y^2)

We see that – 4y(3y-5) – 4y(3y-1) + (3y-1) (3y-5) = -15y^2 + 6y + 5 which is true

So we get ½(( z- 4y) ( z+ 3y-5)(z+ 3y-1)) or (x-2y)(2x + 3y-5)(2x+3y-1))
I hope it helps in factoring systematically
 

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