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The discussion revolves around finding matrices A and b such that the equation Ax = b has a specific solution set for the variables x1, x2, x3, and x4. The conversation includes attempts to derive the matrix representation from the given solution set and explores the reasoning behind the steps taken to arrive at A and b.

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  • One participant presents a solution set for the variables x1, x2, x3, and x4 and expresses uncertainty about how to isolate variables and form the matrix.
  • Another participant suggests expressing x3 and x4 in terms of x1 and x2, providing a detailed breakdown of the relationships between the variables.
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the solution set for the problem is

x1=s+1

x2=t-2

x3=2s+2t

x4=s-t+1I was thinking that I would have to isolate all the variables to one side and create a matrix and then get all the integers to another side and multiply them in order to get b but that doesn't seem correct to me. Can anyone show me/tell me how to complete this and more importantly why it is completed the way that they are showing, thanks.
 
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Hi TomSavage.

By inspecting the equations, the easiest thing to do first would be to express $x_3$ and $x_4$ in terms of $x_1$ and $x_2$:
$$x_3=2s+2t=2(s+1)+2(t-2)+2=2x_1+2x_2+2 \\ x_4=s-t+1=(s+1)-(t-2)-2=x_1-x_2-2.$$
So
$$\begin{pmatrix} x_1 \\ x_2 \\ x_3 \\ x_4 \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} x_1 \\ x_2 \\ 2x_1+2x_2+2 \\ x_1-x_2-2 \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 2 & 2 & 0 & 0 \\ 1 & -1 & 0 & 0 \end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix} x_1 \\ x_2 \\ x_3 \\ x_4 \end{pmatrix}+\begin{pmatrix} 0 \\ 0 \\ 2 \\ -2 \end{pmatrix}$$
Hence you can take
$$\mathbf A = \begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 1 \end{pmatrix}-\begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 2 & 2 & 0 & 0 \\ 1 & -1 & 0 & 0 \end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix} 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ -2 & -2 & 1 & 0 \\ -1 & 1 & 0 & 1 \end{pmatrix}$$
and
$$\mathbf b=\begin{pmatrix} 0 \\ 0 \\ 2 \\ -2 \end{pmatrix}.$$
 
Olinguito said:
$$\mathbf A = \begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 1 \end{pmatrix}-\begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 2 & 2 & 0 & 0 \\ 1 & -1 & 0 & 0 \end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix} 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ -2 & -2 & 1 & 0 \\ -1 & 1 & 0 & 1 \end{pmatrix}$$
There's something here I'm not following. Why are you doing the line above? I don't understand how that's supposed to work.

Thanks!

-Dan
 
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Olinguito said:
$$\begin{pmatrix} x_1 \\ x_2 \\ x_3 \\ x_4 \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} x_1 \\ x_2 \\ 2x_1+2x_2+2 \\ x_1-x_2-2 \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 2 & 2 & 0 & 0 \\ 1 & -1 & 0 & 0 \end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix} x_1 \\ x_2 \\ x_3 \\ x_4 \end{pmatrix}+\begin{pmatrix} 0 \\ 0 \\ 2 \\ -2 \end{pmatrix}$$

the LHS is
$$\begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 1 \end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix} x_1 \\ x_2 \\ x_3 \\ x_4 \end{pmatrix}.$$
 
Olinguito said:
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the LHS is
$$\begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 1 \end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix} x_1 \\ x_2 \\ x_3 \\ x_4 \end{pmatrix}.$$

So obvious! Thanks for explaining that. :)

-Dan
 

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