Find Central Angle: Newton's Method

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The discussion revolves around finding the central angle $\theta$ in a circle given the length of a chord and the length of the corresponding arc. Participants explore the application of Newton's Method to solve the problem, discussing various mathematical approaches and calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the Law of Cosines to relate the chord length and the radius to the central angle, proposing the equation $$\cos{\theta} = \frac{4^2}{a^2+b^2-2ab}$$.
  • Another participant reformulates the problem using the arc length formula, leading to the equation $$5=r\theta$$ and substituting this into the Law of Cosines to derive a function for Newton's Method.
  • A participant shares their calculated value for the central angle as approximately $2.2622$ radians and $130^\circ$ when converted to degrees.
  • Another participant discusses the use of a graph to estimate the root and provides the recursive formula for Newton's Method, showing their iterative results on a calculator.
  • Multiple participants confirm the accuracy of their calculations using different calculators, noting the utility of the "ans" feature for recursive evaluations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach to use Newton's Method and the calculations involved, but there is no explicit consensus on the final value of the central angle as different participants present slightly varying results.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the radius and the relationship between the chord length and arc length may not be explicitly stated, and the discussion does not resolve the exact value of the central angle, reflecting uncertainty in the iterative results.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in applying numerical methods to solve geometric problems, particularly those involving angles and arc lengths in circles.

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In the figure, the length of the chord $AB$ is $4 \text { cm}$ and the length of the arc is $5\text{ cm}$
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(a) Find the central angle $\theta$, in radians, correct to four decimal places.

(b) Give the answer to the nearest degreethis problem is intended to be solved by Newton's Method, so I am have ?? as to how to set it up. I thot that using law of cosines would be part of it since

$$\cos{\theta} = \frac{4^2}{a^2+b^2-2ab}$$

or since $a=b=r$

$$\cos{\theta} = \frac{16}{2r^2-1}$$
and
$$\cos^{-1}{\left(\frac{16}{2r^2-1}\right)}=\theta$$

and also $$S=\theta\cdot r$$ for arc length

so this is where I have a flat tire without a spare...
 
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The Law of Cosines gives you:

$$4^2=r^2+r^2-2r^2\cos(\theta)$$

$$8=r^2\left(1-\cos(\theta) \right)$$

Form the arc-length, we find:

$$5=r\theta\implies r=\frac{5}{\theta}$$

And so, by substitution, we obtain:

$$8=\left(\frac{5}{\theta} \right)^2\left(1-\cos(\theta) \right)$$

$$f(\theta)=8\theta^2+25\left(\cos(\theta)-1 \right)=0$$

Now use Newton's method to find the root for which $$0<\theta$$.
 
I would have looked at a graph of the function:

View attachment 1726

From this we see the root we seek is about $$x\approx2.25$$.

Newton's method gives us the recursive algorithm:

$$x_{n+1}=x_n-\frac{8x_n^2+25\left(\cos\left(x_n-1 \right) \right)}{16x_n-25\sin\left(x_n \right)}$$

Now, on my TI-89, I enter the following:

[TABLE="class: grid, width: 500"]
[TR]
[TD]Input[/TD]
[TD]Output[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2.25 [ENTER][/TD]
[TD]2.25[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]ans(1)-(8ans(1)^2+25(cos(ans(1))-1))/(16ans(1)-25sin(ans(1))) [ENTER][/TD]
[TD]2.26234822745[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][ENTER][/TD]
[TD]2.2622051906[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][ENTER][/TD]
[TD]2.2622051713[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][ENTER][/TD]
[TD]2.2622051713[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

And in degrees, this is about $$129.614808708^{\circ}$$.
 

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well that a good thing to know, tried on my TI-nspire cx cas and got the same thing.
good use of the ans feature.:cool:
 
karush said:
well that a good thing to know, tried on my TI-nspire cx cas and got the same thing.
good use of the ans feature.:cool:

Yes, that function allows for easy evaluation of the terms in a recursive algorithm. For example, you can get the Fibonacci numbers with:

0 [ENTER]
1 [ENTER]
ans(1)+ans(2) [ENTER]
Now press [ENTER] for each new number in the sequence. :D
 

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