Find f(7): Solving Given Equations

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The discussion revolves around a polynomial function defined as f(x) = a_0 + a_1x + a_2x^2 + ... + a_nx^n, with specific values given for f(1) and f(35). The original poster seeks to find f(7) based on these conditions, but there is uncertainty regarding the interpretation of the function and the values provided.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the representation of the polynomial and question whether it is a finite or infinite sum. There is also exploration of the implications of the values f(1) = 8 and f(35) = e^e, with some participants suggesting that the latter may not be an integer, raising concerns about the problem's validity.

Discussion Status

The conversation has evolved with some participants verifying the problem statement and suggesting that the value of f(35) may have been incorrectly transcribed. There is ongoing exploration of how to approach the problem, with some participants attempting to derive the coefficients a_0, a_1, ..., a_n based on the provided conditions.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the coefficients being nonnegative integers and the potential for multiple interpretations of the polynomial's setup. The discussion also notes that the original values provided may have been incorrect, which impacts the direction of the problem-solving efforts.

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Homework Statement


Given f(x)=a0x0+a1x1+a2x2...anxn
p.s: anxn is to represent a sub n multiply x^n
f(1)=8 ,
f(35)=e^e
Find f(7)

I don't know what are the theorem that i have to know and how can i proceed

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The Attempt at a Solution

 
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Do you mean:

[tex]f(x)=a_0x^0+a_1x^1+a_2x^2+...+a_nx^n[/tex]

It is actually:

[tex]\sum_{i=0}^{n}a_ix^i[/tex]

but doesn't matter. The point is:

[tex]8=a_0+a_1+a_2+...+a_n[/tex]

and

[tex]e^e=a_035^0+a_135^1+a_235^2+...+a_n35^n[/tex]

[tex]y=a_07^0+a_17^1+a_27^2+...+a_n7^n[/tex]Can you continue now?

P.S 35 = 7 * 5
 
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Thanks Дьявол!
How do I proceed from here?

[tex] e^e=a_05^07^0+a_15^17^1+a_25^27^2+...+a_n5^n7^n[/tex]
 
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icystrike said:
Given f(x)=a0x0+a1x1+a2x2...anxn

Is your function in fact a finite sum? IOW, is it defined this way (finite sum)?
[tex]f(x) = a_0 + a_1 x + a_2 x^2 + ... + a_n x^n[/tex]
or this way (infinite sum)?
[tex]f(x) = a_0 + a_1 x + a_2 x^2 + ... + a_n x^n + ...[/tex]

The reason I ask is that there is an infinite sum representation for ee.
 
Mark44 said:
Is your function in fact a finite sum? IOW, is it defined this way (finite sum)?
[tex]f(x) = a_0 + a_1 x + a_2 x^2 + ... + a_n x^n[/tex]
or this way (infinite sum)?
[tex]f(x) = a_0 + a_1 x + a_2 x^2 + ... + a_n x^n + ...[/tex]

The reason I ask is that there is an infinite sum representation for ee.

Thanks! It is the finite series. [tex]f(x) = a_0 + a_1 x + a_2 x^2 + ... + a_n x^n[/tex]
 
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Where did you find this task from?

What equations you should use to solve the task?

What is [itex]a_0+a_1+a_2+...+a_n[/itex], is it geometric or arithmetic series?

Can you provide more information about this task?
 
Дьявол said:
Where did you find this task from?

What equations you should use to solve the task?

What is [itex]a_0+a_1+a_2+...+a_n[/itex], is it geometric or arithmetic series?

Can you provide more information about this task?

It is not stated if it is a geometric or arithmetic series.

The question goes like this(without a single omission):

Let f(x)=[itex]a_0+a_1x^1+a_2x^2+...+a_nx^n[/itex] ,where [itex]a_0,a_1,a_2,...,a_n[/itex]
are nonnegative integers. If f(1)=8 and f(35)=[itex]e^e[/itex] , find f(7).

Answer is 512.

Thanks in advance
 
Дьявол said:
Where did you find this task from?

What equations you should use to solve the task?

What is [itex]a_0+a_1+a_2+...+a_n[/itex], is it geometric or arithmetic series?

Can you provide more information about this task?

It is not stated if it is a geometric or arithmetic series.

The question goes like this(without a single omission):

Let f(x)=[itex]a_0+a_1x+a_2x^2+...+a_nx^n[/itex] ,where [itex]a_0,a_1,a_2,...,a_n[/itex]
are nonnegative integers. If f(1)=8 and f(35)=[itex]e^e[/itex] , find f(7).

Answer is 512.

Thanks in advance
 
If the a's are nonnegative integers and x=35, then the value of your polynomial is an integer. e^e is not an integer, if e is the usual constant represented by e=2.7182... What does that e^e mean?
 
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Dick said:
If the a's are nonnegative integers and x=35, then the value of your polynomial is an integer. e^e is not an integer, if e is the usual constant represented by e=2.7182... What does that e^e mean?

Hi Dick! I am not certain but is it a infinite series?
 
  • #11
icystrike said:
Hi Dick! I am not certain but is it a infinite series?

Please type in exactly what the problem tells you. Otherwise, we cannot help you much.. As a matter of fact, we cannot guess what you problem might be.. :( If you are not even certain about the problem, how can we suppose to know it? :frown:
 
  • #12
[tex]e^x = \sum_{n=0}^\infty \frac{x^n}{n!} = 1 + x + \frac{x^2}{2!} + \frac{x^3}{3!} + \cdots,[/tex]

is infinite.

Could you possibly provide relevant equations or something?
 
  • #13
VietDao29 said:
Please type in exactly what the problem tells you. Otherwise, we cannot help you much.. As a matter of fact, we cannot guess what you problem might be.. :( If you are not even certain about the problem, how can we suppose to know it? :frown:

The question goes like this(without a single omission):

Let f(x)=[itex]a_0+a_1x+a_2x^2+...+a_nx^n[/itex] ,where [itex]a_0,a_1,a_2,...,a_n[/itex]
are nonnegative integers. If f(1)=8 and f(35)=[itex]e^e[/itex] , find f(7).

Answer is 512.

Thanks in advance
 
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  • #14
icystrike said:
The question goes like this(without a single omission):

Let f(x)=[itex]a_0+a_1x+a_2x^2+...+a_nx^n[/itex] ,where [itex]a_0,a_1,a_2,...,a_n[/itex]
are nonnegative integers. If f(1)=8 and f(35)=[itex]e^e[/itex] , find f(7).

Answer is 512.

Thanks in advance

As Dick has pointed out,

Since a0, a1, ..., an are all non-negative integers. it must follow that: f(35) is an integer.

I'm positively sure that you have copied the problem down incorrectly. I may suggest you ask some of your friends to get the correct version of it, then re-post it here; or you can contact your professor. :)
 
  • #15
Even if he have the correct value for f(35), I am quite sure that the task can't be solved. I tried various techniques but still no result.

Regards.
 
  • #16
Дьявол said:
Even if he have the correct value for f(35), I am quite sure that the task can't be solved. I tried various techniques but still no result.

Regards.

Thanks Guys! I verified with my professor and he said he made a mistake.
f(35) ought to be [tex]6^6[/tex] and not [tex]e^e[/tex]
 
  • #17
icystrike said:
Thanks Guys! I verified with my professor and he said he made a mistake.
f(35) ought to be [tex]6^6[/tex] and not [tex]e^e[/tex]

Now we are getting somewhere. Since the a's are nonnegative integers and f(1)=0 you can see n is at most 7 and all a's sum to 8. There's only a finite (but large) number of ways to do that. But you can also notice 35^4>6^6. What does that tell you? After that I'd just start guessing by adding combinations of 35^0, 35^1, 35^2, 35^3 to try and find the a's. In fact, since 8<35 you can actually think of the polynomial as expressing the number 6^6 in base 35. (Base as in decimal, binary, etc).
 

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