Find final temp of 2 substances once they have reached equilibrium

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The discussion revolves around finding the final equilibrium temperature of two substances, Lerasium and Atium, after energy exchanges due to cooling and heating processes. The problem involves calculations of heat transfer, phase changes, and temperature adjustments based on specific heat capacities and latent heat values.

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  • Participants present various calculations for the heat transfer involved in cooling Lerasium and heating Atium, questioning the assumptions made regarding initial states and phase changes. Some participants explore different initial conditions for Lerasium, while others suggest potential errors in the calculations of energy changes.

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There is ongoing exploration of the calculations, with participants identifying potential errors in assumptions about the states of the substances involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to reconsider certain calculations, but no consensus on the correct final temperature has been reached.

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Participants note that the calculations may not accurately reflect the actual conditions, particularly concerning the initial states of Lerasium and Atium and their respective melting points. There is also mention of using tools like spreadsheets for better visualization of the heat transfer processes.

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Homework Statement
A quantity of Lerasium (mL=1.49kg) at a temperature of TL,i=1108.1∘C is placed into an isolated container with a quantity of Atium (mA=2.44kg) at a temperature of TA,i=33.6∘C.
Lerasium melts at TL,melt=56.4∘C and vapourizes at TL,vap=327.7∘C.
Lerasium has a heat capacity of cL,liquid=221.6J/kgK when liquid, and cL,vapour=256.4J/kgK when vapour. The latent heat of vapourization is LL,vapour=15139J/kg.
Atium melts at TA,melt=308∘C and vapourizes at TA,vap=1103.1∘C. Atium has a heat capacity of cA,solid=524.8J/kgK when solid, and cA,liquid=688.2J/kgK when liquid. The latent heat of fusion for Atium is LA,fusion=58350J/kg.
What is the final temperature of the two substances once they have reached equilibrium?
Relevant Equations
Q1 =m L⋅c L,liquid ⋅(T L,i −T L,melt)
Q2 =mA⋅cA,solid ⋅(TA,melt −TA,i)
Q3 =mA⋅LA,fusion
Q L = Q A
Cooling Lerasium to its melting point:
Q1 =m L⋅c L,liquid ⋅(T L,i −T L,melt)
Q1 = 1.49kg⋅221.6J/kgK⋅(1108.1−56.4)K
Q1 = 330.184 ⋅(1051.7) = 347254.512 J

Heating Atium to its melting point:
Q2 =mA⋅cA,solid ⋅(TA,melt −TA,i)
Q2 = 2.44kg⋅524.8J/kgK⋅(308−33.6)K
Q2 = 1280.512⋅(274.4) = 351372.493 J

Melting Atium:
Q3 =mA⋅LA,fusion
Q3 = 2.44kg⋅58350J/kg = 142374 J

Total Energy Changes:
QL,total = Q1 = 347254.512 J
QA,total = Q2+Q3 = 351372.493+142374 = 493746.493 J

Assuming all the energy from cooling Lerasium to its melting point goes into heating Atium then we have:
347254.512 J = Q2+mA⋅cA,liquid⋅(Tfinal−308∘C)
347254.512 J = 351372.493 + 2.44kg⋅524.8J/kgK ⋅(Tfinal−308∘C)
347254.512 J = 351372.493 + 1280.512⋅(Tfinal−308∘C)
347254.512 J = 352653.005⋅(Tfinal−308∘C)
0.98469 = Tfinal−308∘C

Tfinal = 308.985∘C

But this isn't correct and I am not sure where I am making an error. Could someone please look at this and let me know?

Thank you

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It seems to me that vapor is the initial condition of that 1.46 kg of Lerasium, since its temperature is above 327.7 °C.
 
Lnewqban said:
It seems to me that vapor is the initial condition of that 1.46 kg of Lerasium, since its temperature is above 327.7 °C.
Q1 = 1.49kg⋅256.4J/kgK⋅(1108.1−327.7)K
Q1 = 298140.8944

Q2 = 1.49kg⋅15139J/kg = 22557.11J

Q3 = 1.49kg⋅221.6J/kgK⋅(327.7−56.4)K
Q3 = 89578.9192

Q4 = 2.44kg⋅524.8J/kgK⋅(308−33.6)K
Q4 = 351372.4928

Q5 = 2.44kg⋅58350J/kg = 142374J

QL,total = Q1 + Q2 + Q3
QL,total = 298140.8944 + 22557.11 + 89578.9192
QL,total = 410276.9236

QA,total = Q4 + Q5
QA,total = 351372.4928 + 142374
QA,total = 493746.4928

Since QL,total < QA,total we get
QL,total = Q4 + mA⋅cA,liquid⋅(Tfinal−308)
410276.9236=351372.4928+(2.44)* (688.2)* (Tfinal-308)
Tfinal = 343.079 °C.

This is still not the correct answer. Is there something I am missing?
 
The calculation of Q3 incorrectly assumes that the substance was cooled down all the way to the melting-solidification temperature (which is lower than the estimated equilibrium temperature of both substances).

In the same way, the calculation of Q4 assumes that the originally solid Atrium reached its melting point (which could be or not, depending on the accuracy of the balance temperature estimation).
 
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I would put it into a spreadsheet. Easiest for the formulas is to put temperatures on the x axis and heat transferred on the y axis. Where they cross is the answer.
 
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Lnewqban said:
The calculation of Q3 incorrectly assumes that the substance was cooled down all the way to the melting-solidification temperature (which is lower than the estimated equilibrium temperature of both substances).

In the same way, the calculation of Q4 assumes that the originally solid Atrium reached its melting point (which could be or not, depending on the accuracy of the balance temperature estimation).
Yes that makes sense. Thanks I got it now
 
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