Find force as a function of position: F=F(x) using v=v(t)

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The discussion revolves around determining the force as a function of position based on a velocity-time relationship. The original poster explores the implications of a specific velocity function, v = -3t^2, and its effects on position and acceleration, ultimately questioning the resulting force expression.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the force function from the given velocity function and raises concerns about a discrepancy in the sign of the force. Other participants suggest reconsidering the assumptions about the velocity function and its implications for acceleration and force.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's reasoning, with some offering insights into the implications of the velocity being always negative and its effect on acceleration. There is a recognition of potential mistakes in the initial approach, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive solution.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions regarding the velocity function and its graphical representation. The discussion highlights the importance of understanding the relationship between velocity, acceleration, and force in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement
We have v-t graph of a moving object. We are asked to guess it's F-x graph.
Relevant Equations
##\vec F=md \vec v/dt ##
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If we consider ##v=-3t^2## then: $$x=-t^3$$$$a=-6t$$
Using ##t=-x^{1/3}## we have : ##a=-6(-x^{1/3})=6x^{1/3}##. My answer suggust that ##F=Ax^{1/3}## but in options we have ##F=-Ax^{1/3}##.

Can someone guide me where my mistake is?
 
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My 2nd idea:
Forget about the formulas and math ...

This object has positive velocity so when "t" is increasing "x" is also increasing. We know that before ##t=t_0## the acceleration is posotive but it's magnitude is decreasing with time so it is decreasing with position also.
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After ##t=t_0## the acceleration becomes negative and it's magnitude is increasing by time and by position.
So "b" is the correct option.
 
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MatinSAR said:
Homework Statement: We have v-t graph of a moving object. We are asked to guess it's F-x graph.
Relevant Equations: ##\vec F=md \vec v/dt ##

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If we consider ##v=-3t^2## then: $$x=-t^3$$$$a=-6t$$
Using ##t=-x^{1/3}## we have : ##a=-6(-x^{1/3})=6x^{1/3}##. My answer suggust that ##F=Ax^{1/3}## but in options we have ##F=-Ax^{1/3}##.

Can someone guide me where my mistake is?
I think the mistake was to consider ## v = -3t^2##. If you are saying ##v## is an inverted parabola, then its graph would be like: ##v = -pt ( t-q)##. Two distinct roots (one zero), not a single repeated root (both zero)
 
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Think about when the acceleration (force) is positive, zero or negative.
Think about what the velocity always being positive means for the position.
 
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erobz said:
I think the mistake was to consider ## v = -3t^2##. If you are saying ##v## is an inverted parabola, then its graph would be like: ##v = -pt ( t-q)##. Two distinct roots (one zero), not a single repeated root (both zero)
Thanks.
Frabjous said:
Think about when the acceleration (force) is positive, zero or negative.
Think about what the velocity always being positive means for the position.
Thanks. Did you see post #2?
 
MatinSAR said:
Did you see post #2?
Missed it. Sorry. You did what I suggested before I suggested it.

BTW, the mistake with -3t2 is that it is always negative.
 
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Frabjous said:
Missed it. Sorry. You did what I suggested before I suggested it.

BTW, the mistake with -3t2 is that it is always negative.
Thank you for your time. I see that big mistake in my first approach now.
 

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