Find force as a function of position: F=F(x) using v=v(t)

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The discussion centers on determining the force as a function of position, specifically using the equation F = F(x) derived from the velocity function v = -3t². The user initially concluded that F = Ax^(1/3), but later recognized that the correct expression should be F = -Ax^(1/3) due to the nature of the velocity being always negative. The mistake was identified as the incorrect assumption that the velocity function could be represented as v = -3t², which does not align with the requirement for positive velocity as time increases.

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Homework Statement
We have v-t graph of a moving object. We are asked to guess it's F-x graph.
Relevant Equations
##\vec F=md \vec v/dt ##
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If we consider ##v=-3t^2## then: $$x=-t^3$$$$a=-6t$$
Using ##t=-x^{1/3}## we have : ##a=-6(-x^{1/3})=6x^{1/3}##. My answer suggust that ##F=Ax^{1/3}## but in options we have ##F=-Ax^{1/3}##.

Can someone guide me where my mistake is?
 
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My 2nd idea:
Forget about the formulas and math ...

This object has positive velocity so when "t" is increasing "x" is also increasing. We know that before ##t=t_0## the acceleration is posotive but it's magnitude is decreasing with time so it is decreasing with position also.
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After ##t=t_0## the acceleration becomes negative and it's magnitude is increasing by time and by position.
So "b" is the correct option.
 
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MatinSAR said:
Homework Statement: We have v-t graph of a moving object. We are asked to guess it's F-x graph.
Relevant Equations: ##\vec F=md \vec v/dt ##

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If we consider ##v=-3t^2## then: $$x=-t^3$$$$a=-6t$$
Using ##t=-x^{1/3}## we have : ##a=-6(-x^{1/3})=6x^{1/3}##. My answer suggust that ##F=Ax^{1/3}## but in options we have ##F=-Ax^{1/3}##.

Can someone guide me where my mistake is?
I think the mistake was to consider ## v = -3t^2##. If you are saying ##v## is an inverted parabola, then its graph would be like: ##v = -pt ( t-q)##. Two distinct roots (one zero), not a single repeated root (both zero)
 
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Think about when the acceleration (force) is positive, zero or negative.
Think about what the velocity always being positive means for the position.
 
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erobz said:
I think the mistake was to consider ## v = -3t^2##. If you are saying ##v## is an inverted parabola, then its graph would be like: ##v = -pt ( t-q)##. Two distinct roots (one zero), not a single repeated root (both zero)
Thanks.
Frabjous said:
Think about when the acceleration (force) is positive, zero or negative.
Think about what the velocity always being positive means for the position.
Thanks. Did you see post #2?
 
MatinSAR said:
Did you see post #2?
Missed it. Sorry. You did what I suggested before I suggested it.

BTW, the mistake with -3t2 is that it is always negative.
 
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Frabjous said:
Missed it. Sorry. You did what I suggested before I suggested it.

BTW, the mistake with -3t2 is that it is always negative.
Thank you for your time. I see that big mistake in my first approach now.
 

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