Find Integer Values of a for Inequality Problem

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The problem involves determining the integer values of \( a \) for the inequality \( x^2+y^2+xy+1 \geq a(x+y) \) for all real numbers \( x \) and \( y \). The discussion revolves around analyzing this inequality and exploring various mathematical approaches to find the possible values of \( a \).

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss rewriting the inequality into different forms, including treating it as a quadratic inequality in one variable. Some suggest using coordinate transformations, such as rotating axes, to simplify the problem. Others explore the implications of the discriminant of the resulting quadratic expressions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various methods being proposed and explored. Some participants have suggested that certain transformations or manipulations might lead to a clearer path toward finding the integer values of \( a \). There is no explicit consensus yet, but several productive lines of reasoning are being examined.

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Participants are considering the implications of the discriminant being less than or equal to zero for the quadratic forms derived from the original inequality. There are questions about the validity of combining different forms of the inequality and the assumptions underlying these manipulations.

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Homework Statement


Let ##x^2+y^2+xy+1 \geq a(x+y)## for all ##x,y \in R##. Find the possible integer(s) in the range of ##a##.


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I can rewrite this into ##(x+y)^2-xy+1 \geq a(x+y) \Rightarrow (x+y)(x+y-a)+1-xy \geq 0## but I don't think that this would help.
 
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You can treat this as a quadratic inequality with a variable [itex]x[/itex]:

[itex]x^2+(y-a)x+y^2-ay+1\ge 0[/itex]

and determine when this parabola takes only non-negative values.
 
I don't have any great advice but the method of Lagrange multipliers (from calculus) shows that the = case happens when x = y. Probably one must by some argument show that the strongest constraining effect happens when x = y. Or perhaps not, but I don't have any better advice.
 
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I've got it. You must rotate the coordinate axes. Rotate them 45 degrees counter-clockwise, this will make the right side depend on a single variable. I was looking for a way to make this problem easier.

##(x,y) → (\frac{x'}{\sqrt{2}} - \frac{y'}{\sqrt{2}}, \frac{x'}{\sqrt{2}} + \frac{y'}{\sqrt{2}})##
 
verty said:
I've got it. You must rotate the coordinate axes. Rotate them 45 degrees counter-clockwise, this will make the right side depend on a single variable. I was looking for a way to make this problem easier.

##(x,y) → (\frac{x'}{\sqrt{2}} - \frac{y'}{\sqrt{2}}, \frac{x'}{\sqrt{2}} + \frac{y'}{\sqrt{2}})##
It doesn't need to be a pure rotation, so you can forget the √2s. Any invertible substitution is valid.
 
Pranav-Arora said:

Homework Statement


Let ##x^2+y^2+xy+1 \geq a(x+y)## for all ##x,y \in R##. Find the possible integer(s) in the range of ##a##.

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution


I can rewrite this into ##(x+y)^2-xy+1 \geq a(x+y) \Rightarrow (x+y)(x+y-a)+1-xy \geq 0## but I don't think that this would help.

You have already found one equation;
##(x+y)^2-xy+1 \geq a(x+y)##
This can again be rewritten as ##(x+1)^2+(y+1)^2-2(x+y)+xy-1\geq a(x+y)##

Add these two equations and with little manupulation you get,

##(x+1)^2+(y+1)^2+(x+y)^2 \geq 2(a+1)(x+y)##

Then with some more manupulation you get,

##-(x+y)(x+y-2a-2) \geq (x+1)^2+(y+1)^2## Divide by 2..

##(-(x+y)(x+y-2a-2))/2 \geq ((x+1)^2+(y+1)^2)/2##here ##(x+1)^2## and ##(y+1)^2## are both positive. So, their arithmetic mean is ≥ geometric mean
which implies,

##(-(x+y)(x+y-2a-2))/2 \geq sqrt(x+1)(y+1)##

I think we have got nearer to the answer. Hope this helps
 
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haruspex said:
It doesn't need to be a pure rotation, so you can forget the √2s. Any invertible substitution is valid.

Right, I didn't see that. So any invertible substitution that takes x+y to a single-variable alternative will work to make the problem solvable without calculus or advanced techniques. The basic idea is to let a depend on x only, so we can set y to 0 without affecting anything.
 
Sorry for such a late reply.

szynkasz said:
You can treat this as a quadratic inequality with a variable [itex]x[/itex]:

[itex]x^2+(y-a)x+y^2-ay+1\ge 0[/itex]

and determine when this parabola takes only non-negative values.

The discriminant should be less than zero i.e.
[tex](y-a)^2-4(y^2-ay+1)<0[/tex]
What am I supposed to do with this? Work on the discriminant of the resulting quadratic again? :confused:

sharan swarup said:
You have already found one equation;
##(x+y)^2-xy+1 \geq a(x+y)##
This can again be rewritten as ##(x+1)^2+(y+1)^2-2(x+y)+xy-1\geq a(x+y)##

Add these two equations and with little manipulation you get,
Is it okay to add them? :rolleyes:
 
The discriminant should be less or equal zero as the value must be non-negative, not positive. And yes, work on the discriminant again.
 
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Yes you can add them.
If a<b and c<d
then a+b<c+d..
 
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szynkasz said:
The discriminant should be less or equal zero as the value must be non-negative, not positive. And yes, work on the discriminant again.

Thank you! That is a nice method. :smile:
 
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You are welcome :smile:
 

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